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View Elwissthebest's Profile Elwissthebest Flag Marlborough 05 Sep 22 1.05pm Send a Private Message to Elwissthebest Add Elwissthebest as a friend

I'd like to see this lad given a try in the First team squad.
Last week, he hit five goals, two against Swindon in the EFL and three against Spurs in an U.21 fixture.
I accept that those oppositions are a world away from the standard in the Premiership, BUT:
We don't have an obviously successful target man. I thought Mateta was very poor against Brentford and Edouard, although an improvement, looks unlikely to score many.
What is the point of having an Academy if you don't promote players who do well in it? With respect to the likes of Rob Street, I doubt he'll ever be a Premiership standard striker. Whatever he learns at Shrewsbury, the chances are that he will end up leading the line at somewhere like Sutton United, or somewhere in the National League. The problem is that players of his calibre are only good enough to make the standard at clubs that don't have the money to buy. So they depart as free transfers and whatever Palace has spent developing them is never recouped. Some clubs: Citeh, Chelsea, seem to be able to use their academies to make money. I believe we paid £20m for Marc Guehi without his having started a Premiership match for Chelsea. If you don't give youngsters a chance in the First team, what is the point of having an Academy? We have Wan-Bissaka and Mitchell to show for how many years and how much money developing talent?

 

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I’m sure he has been brought to the attention of PV. It’s a huge jump from U21 to Premiership football…but I guess he may well start training with the first team and perhaps play in the next round of the cup.

More importantly, nice to see some good prospects coming through….

 

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Originally posted by Elwissthebest

I'd like to see this lad given a try in the First team squad.
Last week, he hit five goals, two against Swindon in the EFL and three against Spurs in an U.21 fixture.
I accept that those oppositions are a world away from the standard in the Premiership, BUT:
We don't have an obviously successful target man. I thought Mateta was very poor against Brentford and Edouard, although an improvement, looks unlikely to score many.
What is the point of having an Academy if you don't promote players who do well in it? With respect to the likes of Rob Street, I doubt he'll ever be a Premiership standard striker. Whatever he learns at Shrewsbury, the chances are that he will end up leading the line at somewhere like Sutton United, or somewhere in the National League. The problem is that players of his calibre are only good enough to make the standard at clubs that don't have the money to buy. So they depart as free transfers and whatever Palace has spent developing them is never recouped. Some clubs: Citeh, Chelsea, seem to be able to use their academies to make money. I believe we paid £20m for Marc Guehi without his having started a Premiership match for Chelsea. If you don't give youngsters a chance in the First team, what is the point of having an Academy? We have Wan-Bissaka and Mitchell to show for how many years and how much money developing talent?

I tend to agree and have said it before. Where exactly do 18 year old wonderkids come from if you never play them? I find some of our first teamers so mediocre it couldn't be much worse to try a youngster. Our Centre forwards are a classic example of that. Bring the lad on at 60 if we're two nil up or two nil behind. Of he's good - we've unearthed a valuable gem. If he's rubbish - back to the academy. Little harm done.
I would try our youngsters but obviously not if it's a major risk.

 


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View Condemned to Palace's Profile Condemned to Palace Flag London 05 Sep 22 3.40pm Send a Private Message to Condemned to Palace Add Condemned to Palace as a friend

His goals against Swindon looked good. Is there any video yet of the game against Spurs u21? I can’t find any (except, strangely, in the Spurs website…)

 

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View rossboss29's Profile rossboss29 Flag Portsmouth 05 Sep 22 4.07pm Send a Private Message to rossboss29 Add rossboss29 as a friend

Originally posted by Elwissthebest

I'd like to see this lad given a try in the First team squad.
Last week, he hit five goals, two against Swindon in the EFL and three against Spurs in an U.21 fixture.
I accept that those oppositions are a world away from the standard in the Premiership, BUT:
We don't have an obviously successful target man. I thought Mateta was very poor against Brentford and Edouard, although an improvement, looks unlikely to score many.
What is the point of having an Academy if you don't promote players who do well in it? With respect to the likes of Rob Street, I doubt he'll ever be a Premiership standard striker. Whatever he learns at Shrewsbury, the chances are that he will end up leading the line at somewhere like Sutton United, or somewhere in the National League. The problem is that players of his calibre are only good enough to make the standard at clubs that don't have the money to buy. So they depart as free transfers and whatever Palace has spent developing them is never recouped. Some clubs: Citeh, Chelsea, seem to be able to use their academies to make money. I believe we paid £20m for Marc Guehi without his having started a Premiership match for Chelsea. If you don't give youngsters a chance in the First team, what is the point of having an Academy? We have Wan-Bissaka and Mitchell to show for how many years and how much money developing talent?


He has been playing as a left winger for the academy this season and he seems to be on fire at the minute bagging goals for fun. Good pace, dribbling and finishing, not sure he is a target man mind you. Oddly he is getting a fair few assists from Omalibu who is playing as a right winger and not a centre forward.

Last season was off the boil somewhat from him in terms of goals and even playing time, which was odd considering he made the bench under Hodgson for a few first team games the season before that.

For me, with 9 players on the bench and 5 subs you would want a player performing in the academy, and potentially giving game time. This will happen you’d think if he maintains his current performance level.

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 05 Sep 22 4.34pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Elwissthebest

I'd like to see this lad given a try in the First team squad.
Last week, he hit five goals, two against Swindon in the EFL and three against Spurs in an U.21 fixture.
I accept that those oppositions are a world away from the standard in the Premiership, BUT:
We don't have an obviously successful target man. I thought Mateta was very poor against Brentford and Edouard, although an improvement, looks unlikely to score many.
What is the point of having an Academy if you don't promote players who do well in it? With respect to the likes of Rob Street, I doubt he'll ever be a Premiership standard striker. Whatever he learns at Shrewsbury, the chances are that he will end up leading the line at somewhere like Sutton United, or somewhere in the National League. The problem is that players of his calibre are only good enough to make the standard at clubs that don't have the money to buy. So they depart as free transfers and whatever Palace has spent developing them is never recouped. Some clubs: Citeh, Chelsea, seem to be able to use their academies to make money. I believe we paid £20m for Marc Guehi without his having started a Premiership match for Chelsea. If you don't give youngsters a chance in the First team, what is the point of having an Academy? We have Wan-Bissaka and Mitchell to show for how many years and how much money developing talent?

I think the fair answer to this is that strong rated academy members get to play with the first team squad. So they are assessed within that context. If they were an improvement above those in first team places that would become apparent at that stage.

I don't think we hold players back and I think we have an exciting crop of players coming through. Yes, we also have a lot of also-rans and those who's progress stalled but that happens at every club.

 


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Personally as a supporter who was introduced to Palace in 79 and experienced the 'team of the eighties' concept with its strong intake of academy players I'm rather wedded to the idea of a strong academy for its own sake.

I understand the argument that this can represent an investment that costs more than it produces and I agree that variance in intakes can sometimes border on the negative but nevertheless I think it comes down to club self identity.

I agree with Parish that this is the way that Palace should be as a club, whether we become a top side, stay mid to lower table or fall back into the championship.

Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Sep 2022 5.21pm)

 


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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 05 Sep 22 5.08pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

This academy is the best thing ever since I was a lad.

Each week our U18s and U21s are playing premiership football against the likes of Arsenal and Man.City, who would have thought it only a few years ago.

Excellent facilities make us no longer living in the shadows of top clubs.

And the football is exceptional.

We should consider the U18s and 21s not just as a nursery for the 1st team squad but as Crystal Palace teams in their own right just as much as their seniors.

 

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View pssguy's Profile pssguy Flag 05 Sep 22 5.20pm Send a Private Message to pssguy Add pssguy as a friend

Originally posted by Condemned to Palace

His goals against Swindon looked good. Is there any video yet of the game against Spurs u21? I can’t find any (except, strangely, in the Spurs website…)

Here you go
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He took his goals Well but the Spurs' defence was awful. He is pretty short but muscular and has very good foot skills.Think half way between Messi and Benteke! The latter missed a penalty in his first DC United game BTW. Game finished 0-0

 

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Originally posted by steeleye20

This academy is the best thing ever since I was a lad.

Each week our U18s and U21s are playing premiership football against the likes of Arsenal and Man.City, who would have thought it only a few years ago.

Excellent facilities make us no longer living in the shadows of top clubs.

And the football is exceptional.

We should consider the U18s and 21s not just as a nursery for the 1st team squad but as Crystal Palace teams in their own right just as much as their seniors.

Well said.

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Personally as a supporter who was introduced to Palace in 79 and experienced the 'team of the eighties' concept with its strong intake of academy players I'm rather wedded to the idea of a strong academy for its own sake.

That was a team of a lifetime, though. The winning Youth Cup finals featured players the quality of Sansom, Fenwick, Gilbert, Nicholas, Murphy. MacKenzie and Hilaire. Some people might have three of those in an all-time top Palace X!

 

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Originally posted by pssguy

That was a team of a lifetime, though. The winning Youth Cup finals featured players the quality of Sansom, Fenwick, Gilbert, Nicholas, Murphy. MacKenzie and Hilaire. Some people might have three of those in an all-time top Palace X!

Yep, sometimes a crop can be exceptional....I doubt they will translate to the first team to the same extent but Paddy McCarthy and co certainly have some impressive up and comers.

I think Sansom is up there as the best English player Palace ever produced.

 


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