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View Lanzo-Ad's Profile Lanzo-Ad Flag Lanzarote 19 Sep 22 8.48am Send a Private Message to Lanzo-Ad Add Lanzo-Ad as a friend

What has happened to the UK in the last 70 years, i know other countries have deteriorated as well, but i think no major country has as much as the Uk, if you agree who's is to blame, is it the Politician's or just changing human nature.

 



Ticking away the moments that make up a dull day
You fritter and waste the hours in an offhand way
Kicking around on a piece of ground in your hometown
Waiting for someone or something to show you the way

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 19 Sep 22 11.16am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Post WW2 change was inevitable:

The country was exhausted financially politically and economically, you can't fight a global war for freedom and keep an empire.

The class system finally broke down as people were no longer prepared to show deference to their betters and why should they. They had just spent 6 years fighting a bloody war for freedom.

However none of the above meant that the UK of today was inevitable. Post war governments of all parties failed us:

Mass immigration (never asked for by the people of this country).

Suez Canal debacle a national humiliation.

The permissive society. I am not against it but the political solution was to throw free money (benefits) at the problem leading to feckless mothers and fathers and a breakdown in the family unit. The benefits society and the entitled brigade.

Failure to modernise industry / management and union practices. by investing in training and new technology. Britain became the sick man of Europe because we were smug and complacent after all we had just won the war.

Group think amongst the establishment elite leading to poor decision making. Thatcher was the last leader who challenged the status quo.

Meanwhile countries like Japan also had to recover but their solutions were very different and far more practical.

We have been failed by the ruling class who perpetuate the myth that there was no alternative.

 


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View Lanzo-Ad's Profile Lanzo-Ad Flag Lanzarote 19 Sep 22 11.48am Send a Private Message to Lanzo-Ad Add Lanzo-Ad as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Post WW2 change was inevitable:

The country was exhausted financially politically and economically, you can't fight a global war for freedom and keep an empire.

The class system finally broke down as people were no longer prepared to show deference to their betters and why should they. They had just spent 6 years fighting a bloody war for freedom.

However none of the above meant that the UK of today was inevitable. Post war governments of all parties failed us:

Mass immigration (never asked for by the people of this country).

Suez Canal debacle a national humiliation.

The permissive society. I am not against it but the political solution was to throw free money (benefits) at the problem leading to feckless mothers and fathers and a breakdown in the family unit. The benefits society and the entitled brigade.

Failure to modernise industry / management and union practices. by investing in training and new technology. Britain became the sick man of Europe because we were smug and complacent after all we had just won the war.

Group think amongst the establishment elite leading to poor decision making. Thatcher was the last leader who challenged the status quo.

Meanwhile countries like Japan also had to recover but their solutions were very different and far more practical.

We have been failed by the ruling class who perpetuate the myth that there was no alternative.

A Very Good write up, i would think agreed by 90% of people who had families in the 50s/60s whatever their religion, colour or Creed

 



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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 19 Sep 22 12.01pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

I've been reading of our appalling behaviour in Kenya, no wonder we left Africa under a cloud.

But in 50's Britain you would never have known over a million were put in concentration camps and tortured, later in the 60s the truth began to emerge.

Indeed I can remember having nightmares about mau mau chopping up white angelic women and I as had never even seen a black person I would think it applied to all.

The 50's were about class, growing consumerism, fading ideals, as a kid what America did we did 6 months later.

'We have been failed by the ruling class who perpetuate the myth that there was no alternative'.

I support that, but no regrets about growing up in the 50's.


 

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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 19 Sep 22 2.09pm Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20


I support that, but no regrets about growing up in the 50's.


So you are an old boy then

 

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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 19 Sep 22 2.49pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

So you are an old boy then

I'm hoping to get a place in the U75s Academy.

Just waiting for the paperwork.


 

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View JRW2's Profile JRW2 Flag Dulwich 19 Sep 22 2.53pm Send a Private Message to JRW2 Add JRW2 as a friend

Two posters on this thread have referred to "the ruling class", and I genuinely don't know what the phrase is intended to mean.

We live in a democracy, which literally means "rule by the people". Nobody else "rules" us - not the monarchy and not even parliament, from which our representatives get thrown out if they sufficiently displease us.

Perhaps you have in mind the investment bankers, senior lawyers, senior policemen, "well-connected" individuals, freemasons and the extremely wealthy. I imagine that some of these people would like to rule us, and I suspect that many of them are not averse to pulling strings when they have the opportunity. But I cant accept that this group is responsible for the way our society has developed.

 

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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 19 Sep 22 3.31pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Personally I think if people want to start understanding why we live in the Britain of 2022, then you need to go back to August 1914 to probably date the tipping point of when our history took a decisive turn.

Impossible to say what the alternatives may have been but the world in 1919 was so vastly different to what it was in 1913 with everything turned upside down. Yes, WW2 clearly made a huge difference and you could argue that events such as Suez and so on are pivot points as well but WW1 was sesmic in a way that is difficult to comprehend.

Just comparing the names listed on various war memorials in terms of numbers for 1914-18 compared to 1939-45 offers a tiny snap shot of what the impact was on British society.

 


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View becky's Profile becky Flag over the moon 19 Sep 22 4.02pm Send a Private Message to becky Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add becky as a friend

Women were the main cause of the changes in the 50's & 60's.

With the men away at war, as with WWI, but to a greater extent, women worked - in munitions, on the land, in factories, food production and offices as never before. When the men came home, many were reluctant to go back to the old domestic drudgery that had been, for the main part, their only lot in life, and certainly the younger ones without children grasped their opportunities and refused to give them back.

With the 60's and the coming of the pill, even more freedom came their way - no need to worry about 'accidents', shotgun weddings and ties to the kitchen sink to avoid social condemnation - they had control over their bodies - in fact they thought they had it all and made the most of it.

Gradually, their new way of life became accepted and the social norms changed accordingly - where once 'the mothers' watched over all the neighbourhood children (theirs and everyone else's), the streets were safe - a battalion of women confronting a stranger hanging around their homes deterred most - and the husband was the breadwinner with the last word at home, now you had the 'latchkey' generation, sexually liberated and financially independent women and the collapse of the old order.

With increased social awareness and the advent of benefits for all (50's/60's you still depended on your family or neighbours in a crisis as there was a stigma attached to 'handouts') the whole nature of society changed and then seemed to go on a downward spiral as the achievers achieved and the rest went to pot when they found someone else would pick up the bill......

......and no, I don't think we should go back to the old regime, just sort out the present one!

 


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View Lanzo-Ad's Profile Lanzo-Ad Flag Lanzarote 19 Sep 22 4.07pm Send a Private Message to Lanzo-Ad Add Lanzo-Ad as a friend

Originally posted by JRW2

Two posters on this thread have referred to "the ruling class", and I genuinely don't know what the phrase is intended to mean.

We live in a democracy, which literally means "rule by the people". Nobody else "rules" us - not the monarchy and not even parliament, from which our representatives get thrown out if they sufficiently displease us.

Perhaps you have in mind the investment bankers, senior lawyers, senior policemen, "well-connected" individuals, freemasons and the extremely wealthy. I imagine that some of these people would like to rule us, and I suspect that many of them are not averse to pulling strings when they have the opportunity. But I cant accept that this group is responsible for the way our society has developed.

Ahh, may favorite subject, Oddfellow.

 



Ticking away the moments that make up a dull day
You fritter and waste the hours in an offhand way
Kicking around on a piece of ground in your hometown
Waiting for someone or something to show you the way

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View Palace Old Geezer's Profile Palace Old Geezer Flag Midhurst 19 Sep 22 4.41pm Send a Private Message to Palace Old Geezer Add Palace Old Geezer as a friend

As a big fan of Talking Pictures TV, I watch a fair amount of old 1950s British films and TV series and it's fascinating to see how few vehicles were on the roads, how few ethnic faces were among the casts or population in general, how well people dressed, how many bobbys were on the streets and how many bombed and war damaged buildings still existed.

Most of the aggravation and crime was carried out by indigenous, home grown villains rather than foreign terrorists or immigrant gangs. Communication generally was slower by phone from the occasional box rather than instant mobile calls or texts. Of course there have been many positive developments in technology and transport etc which have contributed to change.

Lanzo, it could be said that our country's culture has been impacted by political influence or weakness, but whilst this is a factor, it is also a fact that we were still slowly recovering from the ravages of a world war that caused immeasurable damage to the infrastructure and people's state of mind.

However you view it, the changes that have occurred during the last 70 years, since the 50s, are immense. And not necessarily for the better. Those of us old enough to have lived through the 50s recognise this only too well.

 


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View PalazioVecchio's Profile PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 19 Sep 22 4.53pm Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

Many who fought in wars , they fought to defend the uk from an invasion. To defend against the loss of the nation.


So who sold them that idea ?


Which is more violent, 1920s London or 2020s London ?

We now have iPhones but we are poorer today. The average working man had more status & respect than he ever gets today.

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