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Originally posted by JRW2

Two posters on this thread have referred to "the ruling class", and I genuinely don't know what the phrase is intended to mean.

We live in a democracy, which literally means "rule by the people". Nobody else "rules" us - not the monarchy and not even parliament, from which our representatives get thrown out if they sufficiently displease us.

Perhaps you have in mind the investment bankers, senior lawyers, senior policemen, "well-connected" individuals, freemasons and the extremely wealthy. I imagine that some of these people would like to rule us, and I suspect that many of them are not averse to pulling strings when they have the opportunity. But I cant accept that this group is responsible for the way our society has developed.

I suggest you research elite theory and all will be revealed.

Or you could just buy the book 'The populist delusion' by an acclaimed former professor.

[Link]

If after reading that you still don't think that the ruling elites are responsible for how society develops then fair enough.

Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Sep 2022 5.48pm)

 


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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 19 Sep 22 5.51pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I suggest you research elite theory and all will be revealed.

Or you could just buy the book 'The populist delusion'.

[Link]

If after reading that you still don't think that the ruling elites are responsible for how society develops then fair enough.

If he doesn't like the expression Ruling class how about "group think" because that is what the elite subscribe to. The people in power or with wealth and influence believe these tropes are taken for granted and wouldn't think to question them:

- Mass migration is good
- Multiculturalism is good
- Globalism and cheap labour
- Soft on crime and the causes of crime

To name just a few.

 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 19 Sep 22 5.57pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

If he doesn't like the expression Ruling class how about "group think" because that is what the elite subscribe to. The people in power or with wealth and influence believe these tropes are taken for granted and wouldn't think to question them:

- Mass migration is good
- Multiculturalism is good
- Globalism and cheap labour
- Soft on crime and the causes of crime

To name just a few.

Their only loyalties are to whatever they think will retain their wealth and power.

It's as basic as that....it's quite simple really.....but I was still shocked when it finally hit home because we are all programmed to believe that the state cares about us.

 


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Originally posted by becky

Women were the main cause of the changes in the 50's & 60's.

With the men away at war, as with WWI, but to a greater extent, women worked - in munitions, on the land, in factories, food production and offices as never before. When the men came home, many were reluctant to go back to the old domestic drudgery that had been, for the main part, their only lot in life, and certainly the younger ones without children grasped their opportunities and refused to give them back.

With the 60's and the coming of the pill, even more freedom came their way - no need to worry about 'accidents', shotgun weddings and ties to the kitchen sink to avoid social condemnation - they had control over their bodies - in fact they thought they had it all and made the most of it.

Gradually, their new way of life became accepted and the social norms changed accordingly - where once 'the mothers' watched over all the neighbourhood children (theirs and everyone else's), the streets were safe - a battalion of women confronting a stranger hanging around their homes deterred most - and the husband was the breadwinner with the last word at home, now you had the 'latchkey' generation, sexually liberated and financially independent women and the collapse of the old order.

With increased social awareness and the advent of benefits for all (50's/60's you still depended on your family or neighbours in a crisis as there was a stigma attached to 'handouts') the whole nature of society changed and then seemed to go on a downward spiral as the achievers achieved and the rest went to pot when they found someone else would pick up the bill......

......and no, I don't think we should go back to the old regime, just sort out the present one!

Good post....just perhaps minus the last sentence.

 


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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 19 Sep 22 6.15pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by becky

Women were the main cause of the changes in the 50's & 60's.

With the men away at war, as with WWI, but to a greater extent, women worked - in munitions, on the land, in factories, food production and offices as never before. When the men came home, many were reluctant to go back to the old domestic drudgery that had been, for the main part, their only lot in life, and certainly the younger ones without children grasped their opportunities and refused to give them back.

With the 60's and the coming of the pill, even more freedom came their way - no need to worry about 'accidents', shotgun weddings and ties to the kitchen sink to avoid social condemnation - they had control over their bodies - in fact they thought they had it all and made the most of it.

Gradually, their new way of life became accepted and the social norms changed accordingly - where once 'the mothers' watched over all the neighbourhood children (theirs and everyone else's), the streets were safe - a battalion of women confronting a stranger hanging around their homes deterred most - and the husband was the breadwinner with the last word at home, now you had the 'latchkey' generation, sexually liberated and financially independent women and the collapse of the old order.

With increased social awareness and the advent of benefits for all (50's/60's you still depended on your family or neighbours in a crisis as there was a stigma attached to 'handouts') the whole nature of society changed and then seemed to go on a downward spiral as the achievers achieved and the rest went to pot when they found someone else would pick up the bill......

......and no, I don't think we should go back to the old regime, just sort out the present one!

Well put Becky. As I said I am not against change but loading the benefit system to encourage irresponsible behaviour is just one of many mistakes e.g. why be picky over choosing your partner the state will bail you out if they leave you.

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My old Gran said that women had been convinced to give up so much that was good for them, in essence running families, in exchange for jobs that meant ultimately little.

I've always thought that feminism mainly benefited clever middle class women who wanted careers while actually worsening lives for the majority of women.

Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Sep 2022 6.26pm)

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Their only loyalties are to whatever they think will retain their wealth and power.

It's as basic as that....it's quite simple really.....but I was still shocked when it finally hit home because we are all programmed to believe that the state cares about us.

the State does care about milking us for tax & loyalty.

 


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View PalazioVecchio's Profile PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 19 Sep 22 6.51pm Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

My old Gran said that women had been convinced to give up so much that was good for them, in essence running families, in exchange for jobs that meant ultimately little.

I've always thought that feminism mainly benefited clever middle class women who wanted careers while actually worsening lives for the majority of women.

Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Sep 2022 6.26pm)

feminism created Career women....created high disposable income, and ultimately created unaffordable housing.....enslaving the next generation of women and dissing the idea of a working man with a 'stay at home' wife and a ton of kids.

1950s.....houses with a longlasting nuclear family and a ton of kids

2022.....studio apartments, dating on Tinder, 1 kid per couple, p0.rn, single adults everywhere,

 


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Today has been the funeral of the Queen and whatever your feelings about the monarchy they are the head of the class structure that prevails in this country.

All their associates are lord and lady muck of something whatever, no common as muck associates.

An important change was the development of the "jones" and keeping up with them , women went out to work for the money to go abroad with Freddie Laker etc. House purchase etc.

 

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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

feminism created Career women....created high disposable income, and ultimately created unaffordable housing.....enslaving the next generation of women and dissing the idea of a working man with a 'stay at home' wife and a ton of kids.

1950s.....houses with a longlasting nuclear family and a ton of kids

2022.....studio apartments, dating on Tinder, 1 kid per couple, p0.rn, single adults everywhere,

Let's not overlook the hundreds/thousands who lived in slum accommodation, on low wages never knowing where the next meal was coming from, with ever increasing number of children to feed. It was still only the white collar workers who could afford houses...

 


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View PalazioVecchio's Profile PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 19 Sep 22 7.32pm Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

Originally posted by becky

Let's not overlook the hundreds/thousands who lived in slum accommodation, on low wages never knowing where the next meal was coming from, with ever increasing number of children to feed. It was still only the white collar workers who could afford houses...

you are correct for London.

But all the Coal, steel and textile towns in the North ? today they are full of unemployed people and not really proper working towns with a working Labour market.

in the 1950s, such towns were much better off.

 


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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

the State does care about milking us for tax & loyalty.

Well, our udders are certainly going to get a pounding for a while.

 


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