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Uphill Online Bedford 23 Oct 22 4.36pm
Originally posted by NEILLO Me either. I think he's a tidy enough player but not the type we need. Agreed, but given the dearth of candidates currently at our disposal, he deserves the chance of a couple of games to see what he can do. So far he has not been given that chance.
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Bedford 23 Oct 22 4.36pm

Originally posted by NEILLO

Me either.

I think he's a tidy enough player but not the type we need.

Agreed, but given the dearth of candidates currently at our disposal, he deserves the chance of a couple of games to see what he can do. So far he has not been given that chance.

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Spiderman Horsham 23 Oct 22 4.40pm
Originally posted by PatrickA Whilst I agree, and in fact have been the instigator, of some of the criticism of Vieira's tactics on occasions,it may be unreasonable to over react to two poor performances against Leicester and Everton. I can't recall other terrible performances this season and we had a tough set of opening fixtures. Like others I would like to see more tactical flexibility from Vieira to address our shortcomings in midfield, but I don't see any player that is screaming out for inclusion and who is being left out by Vieira. He wanted to keep Kouyate,but the club couldn't come to an agreement with the player. He's lost the influential McArthur to continual injury and we didn't manage to get Gallagher. Part of me feels that he can only play with the cards available and let's hope he gets more options in January. Totally agree, he was let down in the summer. The problem I see is SP doesn’t like the January transfer window. We need a CM early on
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Horsham 23 Oct 22 4.40pm

Originally posted by PatrickA

Whilst I agree, and in fact have been the instigator, of some of the criticism of Vieira's tactics on occasions,it may be unreasonable to over react to two poor performances against Leicester and Everton.
I can't recall other terrible performances this season and we had a tough set of opening fixtures.
Like others I would like to see more tactical flexibility from Vieira to address our shortcomings in midfield, but I don't see any player that is screaming out for inclusion and who is being left out by Vieira.
He wanted to keep Kouyate,but the club couldn't come to an agreement with the player.
He's lost the influential McArthur to continual injury and we didn't manage to get Gallagher.
Part of me feels that he can only play with the cards available and let's hope he gets more options in January.

Totally agree, he was let down in the summer. The problem I see is SP doesn’t like the January transfer window. We need a CM early on

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Lanzo-Ad Lanzarote 23 Oct 22 4.41pm
Originally posted by ATL Eagle A minute ago we were 9th with a string of six matches ahead of us that looked winnable. This game brought us back down to earth and I think many fans (at least reading this thread) are now venting things that we've all been thinking /worrying about for the last few games. We seem to be falling into a pattern of starting slowly. Almost like the players can't be bothered until it matters. We also badly miss the Gallagher/Macca axis in the middle. I wonder whether we actually nearly got CG and so now management is scrambling to patch things up until January. A game like this exposed Eze's showboatiness. To become a more complete player he needs to do the defensive work, and he also needs to be more incisive in attack. If he can only do the occasional mazy run, I'm not sure that's enough. Maybe I'm being unfair to Eze, but since he was more in the middle than Olise and Zaha, he was more exposed. It's all quite upsetting. That is complete rubbish, Eze doesn't need to improve his defensive work, he is not a No8 he is a No10 playing behind the CF, all PV is doing playing out of position, trying to shoehorn him into his obsessive 4-3-3 formation. “That’s a joke son, I say, that’s a joke.” “Nice boy, but he’s sharp as a throw pillow.” “He’s so dumb he thinks a Mexican border pays rent” “ “Son… I say, son, some people are so narrow minded they can look through a keyhole with both eyes.”__ Forhorn Leghorn
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Lanzarote 23 Oct 22 4.41pm

Originally posted by ATL Eagle

A minute ago we were 9th with a string of six matches ahead of us that looked winnable.

This game brought us back down to earth and I think many fans (at least reading this thread) are now venting things that we've all been thinking /worrying about for the last few games.

We seem to be falling into a pattern of starting slowly. Almost like the players can't be bothered until it matters.

We also badly miss the Gallagher/Macca axis in the middle. I wonder whether we actually nearly got CG and so now management is scrambling to patch things up until January.

A game like this exposed Eze's showboatiness. To become a more complete player he needs to do the defensive work, and he also needs to be more incisive in attack. If he can only do the occasional mazy run, I'm not sure that's enough. Maybe I'm being unfair to Eze, but since he was more in the middle than Olise and Zaha, he was more exposed.

It's all quite upsetting.

That is complete rubbish, Eze doesn't need to improve his defensive work, he is not a No8 he is a No10 playing behind the CF, all PV is doing playing out of position, trying to shoehorn him into his obsessive 4-3-3 formation.

“That’s a joke son, I say, that’s a joke.” “Nice boy, but he’s sharp as a throw pillow.” “He’s so dumb he thinks a Mexican border pays rent” “ “Son… I say, son, some people are so narrow minded they can look through a keyhole with both eyes.”__ Forhorn Leghorn

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Spiderman Horsham 23 Oct 22 4.42pm
Originally posted by barrie2301 I agree with this.. He is tactically inept, cannot motivate the players, seems to have blurred perception of performances, fails to see opportunity in matches to get more from them. Also i feel Osian Roberts is not helping matters. Is that the Roberts who many thought should have been given the Wales job?
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Horsham 23 Oct 22 4.42pm

Originally posted by barrie2301

I agree with this..

He is tactically inept, cannot motivate the players, seems to have blurred perception of performances, fails to see opportunity in matches to get more from them.

Also i feel Osian Roberts is not helping matters.

Is that the Roberts who many thought should have been given the Wales job?

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NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 23 Oct 22 4.43pm
Originally posted by barrie2301 Think you need to go back and read my original post if you are unable to keep up.. I indulged you and I did just that. So you said that Roberts has too much influence on PV and then you say that PV is the real issue . And then you ignored my question. I think that brings me up to date ! Old, Ungifted and White
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Shoreham-by-Sea 23 Oct 22 4.43pm

Originally posted by barrie2301

Think you need to go back and read my original post if you are unable to keep up..

I indulged you and I did just that. So you said that Roberts has too much influence on PV and then you say that PV is the real issue .

And then you ignored my question.

I think that brings me up to date !

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barrie2301 crystal palace 23 Oct 22 4.50pm
No the original reply to the comment where i comment on remarks made about PV then add about OR. Keep up! I agree with this.. He is tactically inept, cannot motivate the players, seems to have blurred perception of performances, fails to see opportunity in matches to get more from them. Also i feel Osian Roberts is not helping matters. Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad We have enough players to provide much better performances than we are doing, the problem is solely on PVs shoulders, and he doesn't look like he has a clue most of the time, the players look bewildered with his tactics, 4-2-3-1 with Doucoure and Hughes as the two would produce better performances on many levels. Originally posted by NEILLO I indulged you and I did just that. So you said that Roberts has too much influence on PV and then you say that PV is the real issue . And then you ignored my question. I think that brings me up to date !
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crystal palace 23 Oct 22 4.50pm

No the original reply to the comment where i comment on remarks made about PV then add about OR. Keep up!

I agree with this..

He is tactically inept, cannot motivate the players, seems to have blurred perception of performances, fails to see opportunity in matches to get more from them.

Also i feel Osian Roberts is not helping matters.

Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad
We have enough players to provide much better performances than we are doing, the problem is solely on PVs shoulders, and he doesn't look like he has a clue most of the time, the players look bewildered with his tactics, 4-2-3-1 with Doucoure and Hughes as the two would produce better performances on many levels.

Originally posted by NEILLO

I indulged you and I did just that. So you said that Roberts has too much influence on PV and then you say that PV is the real issue .

And then you ignored my question.

I think that brings me up to date !

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Spiderman Horsham 23 Oct 22 4.52pm
Originally posted by Willo [Link] That just shows he is more of a mentor. As he ran coaching courses for the likes of Vieira, I think mentor is fair enough. Obviously people are looking round for scapegoats, personally I agree tactically away from home we are wanting but, PV can only play those he has been given, and that is where we are lacking. Willo again provising our relegation ( how many consecutive years is that?) means we will be fine
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Horsham 23 Oct 22 4.52pm

Originally posted by Willo

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That just shows he is more of a mentor. As he ran coaching courses for the likes of Vieira, I think mentor is fair enough. Obviously people are looking round for scapegoats, personally I agree tactically away from home we are wanting but, PV can only play those he has been given, and that is where we are lacking.
Willo again provising our relegation ( how many consecutive years is that?) means we will be fine

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Spiderman Horsham 23 Oct 22 4.52pm
Originally posted by Uphill Agreed, but given the dearth of candidates currently at our disposal, he deserves the chance of a couple of games to see what he can do. So far he has not been given that chance. Yep
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Horsham 23 Oct 22 4.52pm

Originally posted by Uphill

Agreed, but given the dearth of candidates currently at our disposal, he deserves the chance of a couple of games to see what he can do. So far he has not been given that chance.

Yep

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 23 Oct 22 5.00pm
Originally posted by Spiderman That just shows he is more of a mentor. As he ran coaching courses for the likes of Vieira, I think mentor is fair enough. Obviously people are looking round for scapegoats, personally I agree tactically away from home we are wanting but, PV can only play those he has been given, and that is where we are lacking. Willo again provising our relegation ( how many consecutive years is that?) means we will be fine Probably since I first supported the club in the 60s!
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South coast - west of Brighton. 23 Oct 22 5.00pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

That just shows he is more of a mentor. As he ran coaching courses for the likes of Vieira, I think mentor is fair enough. Obviously people are looking round for scapegoats, personally I agree tactically away from home we are wanting but, PV can only play those he has been given, and that is where we are lacking.
Willo again provising our relegation ( how many consecutive years is that?) means we will be fine

Probably since I first supported the club in the 60s!

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NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 23 Oct 22 5.22pm
Originally posted by barrie2301 No the original reply to the comment where i comment on remarks made about PV then add about OR. Keep up! I agree with this.. He is tactically inept, cannot motivate the players, seems to have blurred perception of performances, fails to see opportunity in matches to get more from them. Also i feel Osian Roberts is not helping matters. Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad We have enough players to provide much better performances than we are doing, the problem is solely on PVs shoulders, and he doesn't look like he has a clue most of the time, the players look bewildered with his tactics, 4-2-3-1 with Doucoure and Hughes as the two would produce better performances on many levels. I responded to your comments, I didn't trawl through the preceding pages. Had I have done so I wouldn't have bothered responding to you at all if you were in agreement with Lanzo-Ad. Old, Ungifted and White
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Shoreham-by-Sea 23 Oct 22 5.22pm

Originally posted by barrie2301

No the original reply to the comment where i comment on remarks made about PV then add about OR. Keep up!

I agree with this..

He is tactically inept, cannot motivate the players, seems to have blurred perception of performances, fails to see opportunity in matches to get more from them.

Also i feel Osian Roberts is not helping matters.

I responded to your comments, I didn't trawl through the preceding pages.

Had I have done so I wouldn't have bothered responding to you at all if you were in agreement with Lanzo-Ad.

Old, Ungifted and White

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CT GUY-BIGBALD EAGLE bloomfield 23 Oct 22 5.34pm
Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad I respect your opinion, but i worry that it may be too late by then, i think a DM and RB is all we need to loan in Jan. unless we lose a key player. Don’t you think we need a LB? Mitchell out of his depth. Plays narrow while he’s too slow to recover, never tackles, gets turned around like a Las Vegas whore.
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Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad

I respect your opinion, but i worry that it may be too late by then, i think a DM and RB is all we need to loan in Jan. unless we lose a key player.

Don’t you think we need a LB? Mitchell out of his depth. Plays narrow while he’s too slow to recover, never tackles, gets turned around like a Las Vegas whore.

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CT GUY-BIGBALD EAGLE bloomfield 23 Oct 22 5.46pm
Originally posted by stancummins FFS we have lost one game . I wasnt happy with the recruitment in the summer and i said so to Carragher when i was interviewed by him before the Arsenal game . We relied on Jimmy Mac being fit and Gallagher coming back on loan, neither of which has happened. However reading some of the posts on here are unreal. We have had 1 very poor performance which Patrick has acknowledged.This comes after 2 wins and a draw , and after putting up good performances against the big 4 where we deserved a lot more than we got and schluup and Dacourie were not overun in midfield . We just need to bounce back against the Saints ,and then get to January and recruit. As to people on here talking relegation you need to get real Agree with you mate. We’re #12, 3 points behind liverpoo a billion dollar team. We just need to learn and make the tweaks needed. Top 10 finish might still be possible
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bloomfield 23 Oct 22 5.46pm

Originally posted by stancummins

FFS we have lost one game . I wasnt happy with the recruitment in the summer and i said so to Carragher when i was interviewed by him before the Arsenal game . We relied on Jimmy Mac being fit and Gallagher coming back on loan, neither of which has happened. However reading some of the posts on here are unreal. We have had 1 very poor performance which Patrick has acknowledged.This comes after 2 wins and a draw , and after putting up good performances against the big 4 where we deserved a lot more than we got and schluup and Dacourie were not overun in midfield . We just need to bounce back against the Saints ,and then get to January and recruit. As to people on here talking relegation you need to get real

Agree with you mate. We’re #12, 3 points behind liverpoo a billion dollar team. We just need to learn and make the tweaks needed. Top 10 finish might still be possible

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