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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 18 Nov 22 7.31pm Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

Iíve done beans on toast for a week.

I was lucky as I was redundant in the early nineties living in Torquay when the supermarkets decided to have a price war over turkeys and we bought a large turkey for a fiver that we made last a week and then on Saturday we bought another one

 

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 18 Nov 22 7.49pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

But it isn't workable in practice unless you build a huge Trump style wall across the border

Worked for the Romans

 

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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 19 Nov 22 6.22am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman


Worked for the Romans

Whatever else have the Romans ever done for us?

 

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View YT's Profile YT Flag Oxford 19 Nov 22 8.13am Send a Private Message to YT Add YT as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Whatever else have the Romans ever done for us?

Ha ha.

My dogs wish they hadn't given us the Roman Candle.

 


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View silvertop's Profile silvertop Flag Portishead 19 Nov 22 9.37am Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

PR sounds like a fair system however in practice it means that as no one has a majority they have to do deals to form a coalition which means inevitably that a small party has too much power e.g. DUP and Mrs May.

The tail should not wag the dog.

But the tail should still wag. Power sharing should mean just what it says.

The "weak government" myth is a creation of the two parties who are well served by FPTP.

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 19 Nov 22 12.31pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by silvertop

But the tail should still wag. Power sharing should mean just what it says.

The "weak government" myth is a creation of the two parties who are well served by FPTP.

Not if it goes against the wishes of the majority.

 


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View YT's Profile YT Flag Oxford 20 Nov 22 7.52am Send a Private Message to YT Add YT as a friend

'Sally Traffic' on BBC Radio 2 thinks Scotland independence has already happened. Yesterday she began a traffic update with:

"Heavy rain is still causing much disruption in Scotland and the UK"

 


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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 20 Nov 22 8.30am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Labour will abolish the House of Lords, about time. However what they replace it with is always the question. Aa long as it is directly elected and not too big that is fine by me.

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Online Flag Truro Cornwall 20 Nov 22 8.46am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Labour will abolish the House of Lords, about time. However what they replace it with is always the question. Aa long as it is directly elected and not too big that is fine by me.

I doubt whether they will actually do it, or if they try succeed. Reform, yes, but abolish no.

The last thing I think we want, in our system, is a directly elected second chamber without any legislative power, but with the capacity to obfuscate and delay.

Having a second chamber of the wise, experienced and trusted to cast their eyes over proposed legislation before it passes into law and to investigate and propose action on matters of concern, makes sense to me. You can call them whatever you like. Just remove the hereditary elements and all is good.

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 20 Nov 22 9.19am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I doubt whether they will actually do it, or if they try succeed. Reform, yes, but abolish no.

The last thing I think we want, in our system, is a directly elected second chamber without any legislative power, but with the capacity to obfuscate and delay.

Having a second chamber of the wise, experienced and trusted to cast their eyes over proposed legislation before it passes into law and to investigate and propose action on matters of concern, makes sense to me. You can call them whatever you like. Just remove the hereditary elements and all is good.

Very predictable you sticking up for the establishment.

Elected 2nd Chambers work perfectly well in most other countries. As for them holding up legislation well the unelected House of Lords has done that many times, especially Brexit, but you were fine with that but your not fine with a democratic house doing that.

Anyway the answer to that is to define in law what the new HOL or Senate is allowed to do.

 


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View silvertop's Profile silvertop Flag Portishead 20 Nov 22 9.20am Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Not if it goes against the wishes of the majority.

You're not really getting this coalition lark are you?

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 20 Nov 22 9.29am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by silvertop

You're not really getting this coalition lark are you?

In the event of a hung parliament Labour makes nice with the Greens and the SNP and propose a socialist agenda, so far so good. But what if the Greens demand a ban on all cars and Labour desperate for power agree.

So millions of Tory voters and even millions of Labour voters are ignored because a policy that only a minority wanted is foisted on the majority.An extreme example to illustrate my point.

There can be common ground between parties which their supporters would have no problem with e.g. spending more money on the NHS.

However look at the uproar over the Mrs May / DUP deal which was a coalition in all but name and no one voted for.

 


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