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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I would rather be on a cruise than in a hotel!

We don't use anywhere that's crowded, and there's plenty of uncrowded space on a cruise. Going ashore during the day and avoiding crowds works better than lying around a pool. Being on deck in the sea breeze after dinner, rather than being in a bar, does too. The most dubious place is on the flight. I am fully jabbed and had a mild infection a few months back so feel pretty well protected at the moment. I have though just had a very nasty cold which has lasted 3 weeks, so there are still plenty of viruses out there.


Again making no sense if you are protected why are you acting as if you are avoiding.

The whole point of a proper vaccine should be so people can live normal life yet you are still avoiding plus planning based of a virus which has never been a real threat to begin with.

Mild infection of what gonorrhea or are you claiming covid?

Do you even wear and use correctly proper PPE? I expect not.

I don't believe anything you say it all sounds like someone trying to get reactions from others or a person who really is mentally ill.

 


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Originally posted by grumpymort


Again making no sense if you are protected why are you acting as if you are avoiding.

The whole point of a proper vaccine should be so people can live normal life yet you are still avoiding plus planning based of a virus which has never been a real threat to begin with.

Mild infection of what gonorrhea or are you claiming covid?

Do you even wear and use correctly proper PPE? I expect not.

I don't believe anything you say it all sounds like someone trying to get reactions from others or a person who really is mentally ill.

I had a mild Covid infection. Mild because I have been fully vaccinated. The cold I have had since before Christmas has been much worse.

My objections to the unvaccinated are no longer because they pose any particular threat to me. They are because of their selfishness and unwillingness to participate in the national effort to mitigate the impact of the virus on our health service. It is still the fact that the majority demanding NHS support for Covid come from the unvaccinated. With the NHS under such pressure thatís simply unacceptable.

All the misinformation about the vaccines being untested or causing other health problems are just a load of bs which I find pathetic coming from grown men who really ought to know better.

I am disgusted by people who refuse to put their shoulders to the wheel just because of some idiotic nonsense they have seen being pontificated by a self appointed expert in everything.

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I had a mild Covid infection. Mild because I have been fully vaccinated. The cold I have had since before Christmas has been much worse.

My objections to the unvaccinated are no longer because they pose any particular threat to me. They are because of their selfishness and unwillingness to participate in the national effort to mitigate the impact of the virus on our health service. It is still the fact that the majority demanding NHS support for Covid come from the unvaccinated. With the NHS under such pressure thatís simply unacceptable.

All the misinformation about the vaccines being untested or causing other health problems are just a load of bs which I find pathetic coming from grown men who really ought to know better.

I am disgusted by people who refuse to put their shoulders to the wheel just because of some idiotic nonsense they have seen being pontificated by a self appointed expert in everything.


Did you? so which test told you you had "mild" covid?

You are vaccinated and had it again I remember you mentioned having it previous maybe 1-2 times.

If a natural effort was to sterilize people we should all jump onboard should we because reducing birth rates reduces strain on NHS.

You are moaning about people to do with the virus so why are you not moaning about smokers/drinkers and people who are obese all of those put massive strain not only the NHS.

Provide evidence the unvaccinated are the "cause" for the strain on NHS again you can't you keep pulling these things out of your a**

Yes lots of misinformation with a large % coming from you.

You was ripped apart last year in covid threat about your claims how proper trials etc had been completed.

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I had a mild Covid infection. Mild because I have been fully vaccinated. The cold I have had since before Christmas has been much worse.

My objections to the unvaccinated are no longer because they pose any particular threat to me. They are because of their selfishness and unwillingness to participate in the national effort to mitigate the impact of the virus on our health service. It is still the fact that the majority demanding NHS support for Covid come from the unvaccinated. With the NHS under such pressure thatís simply unacceptable.

All the misinformation about the vaccines being untested or causing other health problems are just a load of bs which I find pathetic coming from grown men who really ought to know better.

I am disgusted by people who refuse to put their shoulders to the wheel just because of some idiotic nonsense they have seen being pontificated by a self appointed expert in everything.

I think it is time to have a more mature conversation about these COVID vaccines.

Clearly, a new vaccine in double quick time was vital to counter the potential risk of a huge death toll. No one can deny that.
In unknown territory, decisions are made without sufficient information and with a risk reward ratio that might not be acceptable at another time.

The speed at which these vaccines were produced and the incorrect claims about their value was bound to lead to questions and suspicion, especially given the commercial nature of pharmaceuticals.

Now we have seen a high number of non COVID extra deaths all over the world which cannot be simply explained away, plus anecdotal evidence of sudden deaths after inoculations. This cannot be simply ignored or closed down with accusations of conspiracy delusions or, as recently, Antisemitism.
It should be investigated, and the truth exposed.

Obviously, the use of vaccines is tried and tested and there should be no question about the existing range available and the invaluable role they have played in protecting people from potentially fatal illnesses. That does not mean that we should not continue to expect the highest standards from the producers of vaccines or try to obfuscate uncomfortable truths where lives are at stake, even when exceptional circumstances prevail.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Online Flag Truro Cornwall 15 Jan 23 7.03pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by grumpymort


Did you? so which test told you you had "mild" covid?

You are vaccinated and had it again I remember you mentioned having it previous maybe 1-2 times.

If a natural effort was to sterilize people we should all jump onboard should we because reducing birth rates reduces strain on NHS.

You are moaning about people to do with the virus so why are you not moaning about smokers/drinkers and people who are obese all of those put massive strain not only the NHS.

Provide evidence the unvaccinated are the "cause" for the strain on NHS again you can't you keep pulling these things out of your a**

Yes lots of misinformation with a large % coming from you.

You was ripped apart last year in covid threat about your claims how proper trials etc had been completed.

So far as I am aware there is no "test" that tells you that you have only suffered mild symptoms. You use self awareness for that!

I have tested positive on two occasions, the first was in the early days and was worse than the second, when I was fully vaccinated.

I feel much the same about smokers, those who drink heavily or take drugs and the morbidly obese. Unless there are underlying reasons which, if sorted out, would also cure those issues. Anyone who indulges for wholly selfish reasons ought to go to the bottom of NHS lists.

Not having children doesn't threaten the NHS. It's a genuine personal choice. If our government wants to increase the birthrate then do it with incentives. Carrots, not sticks.

My wife is a nurse, who works in our local hospital. My information comes from her and her colleagues.

The idea that I was "ripped apart" over the way the vaccines had been tested made me smile. It's simply untrue because they were all properly tested prior to release. Not just by ourselves but by the equivalent health care regulators worldwide. It might have
been an accelerated programme with billions thrown at it, but that doesn't mean shortcuts were taken. There was far too much at stake for that to happen. Two other important things support that. The first being that whilst new for a human vaccine the technology had been trialled and proved safe in animals. The scientists responsible were completely confident that the minor twist that was needed would not impact that safety. The second being that this has been proved true through the billions of doses now administered. As with any medication there are rare instances of significant reactions but overall this has been a remarkable effort showing how the world can work together.

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

So far as I am aware there is no "test" that tells you that you have only suffered mild symptoms. You use self awareness for that!

I have tested positive on two occasions, the first was in the early days and was worse than the second, when I was fully vaccinated.

I feel much the same about smokers, those who drink heavily or take drugs and the morbidly obese. Unless there are underlying reasons which, if sorted out, would also cure those issues. Anyone who indulges for wholly selfish reasons ought to go to the bottom of NHS lists.

Not having children doesn't threaten the NHS. It's a genuine personal choice. If our government wants to increase the birthrate then do it with incentives. Carrots, not sticks.

My wife is a nurse, who works in our local hospital. My information comes from her and her colleagues.

The idea that I was "ripped apart" over the way the vaccines had been tested made me smile. It's simply untrue because they were all properly tested prior to release. Not just by ourselves but by the equivalent health care regulators worldwide. It might have
been an accelerated programme with billions thrown at it, but that doesn't mean shortcuts were taken. There was far too much at stake for that to happen. Two other important things support that. The first being that whilst new for a human vaccine the technology had been trialled and proved safe in animals. The scientists responsible were completely confident that the minor twist that was needed would not impact that safety. The second being that this has been proved true through the billions of doses now administered. As with any medication there are rare instances of significant reactions but overall this has been a remarkable effort showing how the world can work together.

The NHS costs £180 billion a year and we have to pay extra for prescriptions, dental care and opticians. Now smoking should be banned, drinking restricted to approved levels and diet adjusted all to suit the NHS.
It is a public service; it's there to serve us, not the other way around.
Who else should be on the watch list? People injured playing sports or in car accidents (personal choice) or hurt in work-related accidents (lack of attention).

 

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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

The NHS costs £180 billion a year and we have to pay extra for prescriptions, dental care and opticians. Now smoking should be banned, drinking restricted to approved levels and diet adjusted all to suit the NHS.
It is a public service; it's there to serve us, not the other way around.
Who else should be on the watch list? People injured playing sports or in car accidents (personal choice) or hurt in work-related accidents (lack of attention).

Whilst your approach appears to be the generally accepted one it isn't mine. I am unaware of any positive benefits from smoking, excessive drinking or eating. Only harms. There are benefits from sport participating, driving and working. So they ought to be thought of differently and indeed in many ways they are. The NHS runs anti-smoking campaigns. What I am arguing is when there is pressure on the NHS, and lengthy waiting lists, priorities need to be determined. If people are self harming, without there being an underlying medical reason for it, then they should not be prioritised over those who aren't. If that incentives them, or shames them, into stopping things that are known to be harmful, so much the better. Indeed, any treatment given ought to go hand in hand with a commitment from the recipient to stop doing what is causing them to need it.

I can imagine the "freedom of choice" zealots getting agitated at such ideas but the rest of us also are free to choose whether we fund the treatment of those who deliberately harm themselves.

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Whilst your approach appears to be the generally accepted one it isn't mine. I am unaware of any positive benefits from smoking, excessive drinking or eating. Only harms. There are benefits from sport participating, driving and working. So they ought to be thought of differently and indeed in many ways they are. The NHS runs anti-smoking campaigns. What I am arguing is when there is pressure on the NHS, and lengthy waiting lists, priorities need to be determined. If people are self harming, without there being an underlying medical reason for it, then they should not be prioritised over those who aren't. If that incentives them, or shames them, into stopping things that are known to be harmful, so much the better. Indeed, any treatment given ought to go hand in hand with a commitment from the recipient to stop doing what is causing them to need it.

I can imagine the "freedom of choice" zealots getting agitated at such ideas but the rest of us also are free to choose whether we fund the treatment of those who deliberately harm themselves.

Won't work. If someone who is overweight takes up jogging and has a heart attack should they get priority? A person who needs shoulder surgery from gym work is more deserving of treatment than some one who doesn't work out?
The tax on cigarettes and alcohol generates over £23 billion per year and involves thousands of jobs.
The NHS is always under pressure - my wife's sister was told last month she'll have to wait 81 weeks for a gall bladder operation.

 

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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Whilst your approach appears to be the generally accepted one it isn't mine. I am unaware of any positive benefits from smoking, excessive drinking or eating. Only harms. There are benefits from sport participating, driving and working. So they ought to be thought of differently and indeed in many ways they are. The NHS runs anti-smoking campaigns. What I am arguing is when there is pressure on the NHS, and lengthy waiting lists, priorities need to be determined. If people are self harming, without there being an underlying medical reason for it, then they should not be prioritised over those who aren't. If that incentives them, or shames them, into stopping things that are known to be harmful, so much the better. Indeed, any treatment given ought to go hand in hand with a commitment from the recipient to stop doing what is causing them to need it.

I can imagine the "freedom of choice" zealots getting agitated at such ideas but the rest of us also are free to choose whether we fund the treatment of those who deliberately harm themselves.

Presumably Brexit supporters should be denied treatment?

 

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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

No need to concern yourself. Unless you are fully vaccinated you wouldn't gain entry anyway.

I managed to get a fake vaccine cert (QR code) last year to go on a fab sun holiday! :-) even had a mask exemption letter I made for the airline to go maskless :-)

 

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Mask wearing didn't slow down the spread of sars-cov19, but it did slow down immune systems. It's virology 1.01. Be at one with the environment and survive.

 


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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I think it is time to have a more mature conversation about these COVID vaccines.

Clearly, a new vaccine in double quick time was vital to counter the potential risk of a huge death toll. No one can deny that.
In unknown territory, decisions are made without sufficient information and with a risk reward ratio that might not be acceptable at another time.

The speed at which these vaccines were produced and the incorrect claims about their value was bound to lead to questions and suspicion, especially given the commercial nature of pharmaceuticals.

Now we have seen a high number of non COVID extra deaths all over the world which cannot be simply explained away, plus anecdotal evidence of sudden deaths after inoculations. This cannot be simply ignored or closed down with accusations of conspiracy delusions or, as recently, Antisemitism.
It should be investigated, and the truth exposed.

Obviously, the use of vaccines is tried and tested and there should be no question about the existing range available and the invaluable role they have played in protecting people from potentially fatal illnesses. That does not mean that we should not continue to expect the highest standards from the producers of vaccines or try to obfuscate uncomfortable truths where lives are at stake, even when exceptional circumstances prevail.

What incorrect claims do you think were made? I don't think there were any. That the virus has mutated and managed to continue to infect the vaccinated was expected. It's just part of the way evolution works. The vaccinations continue to protect against severe disease.

The vaccines were developed at speed but not in haste. No risky decisions were taken, as the testing supported the science. The idea that the people were being manipulated is simply the spin being put on a wonderful piece of work by those opposed to the whole strategy.

That there have been excess deaths has nothing to do with the vaccines themselves. There is certainly more to learn about the long term impact of the virus itself, and the impact of the need to deal with it on the provision of other health care protections and treatments. That some try to link these to the vaccines by misinterpreting the data is just misinformation being taken up by those same people who oppose the strategy. Listen to those who truly know. There is no link.

Of course we should, and do, expect the highest standards, at all times.

 


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