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View eaglesdare's Profile eaglesdare Flag 17 Jan 23 9.28am Send a Private Message to eaglesdare Add eaglesdare as a friend

what about all those extra immigrants being let into the country! surely they also have a huge strain on the NHS!

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 17 Jan 23 11.21am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Really? All those extra children don't put additional strain on the NHS? It's also a fact that smokers' net contribution to the tax system is greater than what they cost.

I would like to see the evidence for the second claim but even if true the tax system, including NI, pays for a great deal more than the NHS and itís obviously true that anyone needing to use a resource more because of something they could have avoided is using a greater share than the average.

Every person puts a strain on the NHS. Not all smoke, take drugs, drink excessively or otherwise behave in irresponsible ways.

 


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Originally posted by eaglesdare

what about all those extra immigrants being let into the country! surely they also have a huge strain on the NHS!

Itís a fact that most immigrants are young and are lighter than average users of the NHS. They generally want to work and will pay tax, even if some disappear into the black economy.

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Itís a fact that most immigrants are young and are lighter than average users of the NHS. They generally want to work and will pay tax, even if some disappear into the black economy.

Cant take you seriously at all anymore! haha

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Online Flag 17 Jan 23 11.45am Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I would like to see the evidence for the second claim but even if true the tax system, including NI, pays for a great deal more than the NHS and itís obviously true that anyone needing to use a resource more because of something they could have avoided is using a greater share than the average.

Every person puts a strain on the NHS. Not all smoke, take drugs, drink excessively or otherwise behave in irresponsible ways.


Why is it irresponsible to enjoy yourself? If the NHS can't cope then it's not fit for purpose. It exists as a service not to decide who deserves treatment based on how abstemious they are.

 

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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Itís a fact that most immigrants are young and are lighter than average users of the NHS. They generally want to work and will pay tax, even if some disappear into the black economy.

They won't be young forever.

 

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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle


Why is it irresponsible to enjoy yourself? If the NHS can't cope then it's not fit for purpose. It exists as a service not to decide who deserves treatment based on how abstemious they are.

Smoking, drug taking and excessive drinking cannot be simply categorised as enjoying yourself. They harm the individual, and society through the additional cost of health care, so are irresponsible behaviour to be discouraged by every available means.

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 17 Jan 23 12.37pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

They won't be young forever.

Of course not but by the time they age they should have contributed at the same level as those born here, without costing society the need to educate them.

The suggestion that immigration puts an additional financial strain on us is false.

 


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Originally posted by eaglesdare

Cant take you seriously at all anymore! haha

Thatís OK. Iíve never taken you seriously.

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Of course not but by the time they age they should have contributed at the same level as those born here, without costing society the need to educate them.

The suggestion that immigration puts an additional financial strain on us is false.

It is impossible to say with any certainty. It is a very complex matter and very much depends on which figures are looked at and who is presenting them.

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Online Flag 17 Jan 23 1.58pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Smoking, drug taking and excessive drinking cannot be simply categorised as enjoying yourself. They harm the individual, and society through the additional cost of health care, so are irresponsible behaviour to be discouraged by every available means.

A very Calvinist approach to life.
Since both tobacco and alcohol (don't know anything about drugs) are prohibitively expensive they are quite effectively discouraged as it is.

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Online Flag 17 Jan 23 2.00pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Of course not but by the time they age they should have contributed at the same level as those born here, without costing society the need to educate them.

The suggestion that immigration puts an additional financial strain on us is false.

Their children still require school places.

 

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