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View Lanzo-Ad's Profile Lanzo-Ad Flag Lanzarote 27 Dec 22 4.32am Send a Private Message to Lanzo-Ad Add Lanzo-Ad as a friend

Originally posted by southnorwoodhill

I can think of two possibilities: he's being told to play those players come what may
Or:
He's making his own choices and despite repeated evidence that certain combinations of players doesn't work he still sticks with it, which suggests he isn't tactically astute

Your second option is spot on, make the team fit the players and not the players fit the team, he plays like we can stroll around like Ligue 1

 


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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 27 Dec 22 6.20am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

We signed Doucoure in the summer but the other signings were a backup goalkeeper, Richards who has been injured and an inexperienced Ebiowei.

A backup keeper who seems to have disappeared from view and no longer even makes the bench

 

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View Eaglecoops's Profile Eaglecoops Flag CR3 27 Dec 22 7.03am Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

I’m pretty sure I remember our manager/owners saying that we don’t fritter away money and we only buy players that will make the team better from the off.

So out of our recent signings, we have bought 2 keepers who hardly ever make the starting 11, Ferguson who has been injured for 2 years, Richards who has been injured for most of his time since arriving, Ebiowei and Plange who don’t look ready for the top level and Hughes who is never picked presumably because he is too lightweight.

Guehi, Anderson and Doucoure have been good signings but we have become so reliant on these three to perform as there is no proper cover or assistance for them.

In the midfield we have lost Kouyate, Gallagher and McArthur is constantly injured and Milivojevic past his best so we buy just one recognised replacement and we try to shoehorn Eze Olise and Schlupp into positions where they are not comfortable and they get consistently run off the ball.

I would suggest our buying has been generally pretty average at best and I would be happier if they stuck to their own mantra of only buying players who can operate in the first team squad and then introduce players gradually from the youngsters.

I genuinely think we are in serious trouble second half of the season if we don’t resolve the midfield issue and get some defensive support in. I think we have the attacking flair to win games but only if we secure decent ball in midfield first which will allow the front 3 to flourish.

 

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View Davepalace707's Profile Davepalace707 Flag Northumberland 27 Dec 22 8.33am Send a Private Message to Davepalace707 Add Davepalace707 as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

I’m pretty sure I remember our manager/owners saying that we don’t fritter away money and we only buy players that will make the team better from the off.

So out of our recent signings, we have bought 2 keepers who hardly ever make the starting 11, Ferguson who has been injured for 2 years, Richards who has been injured for most of his time since arriving, Ebiowei and Plange who don’t look ready for the top level and Hughes who is never picked presumably because he is too lightweight.

Guehi, Anderson and Doucoure have been good signings but we have become so reliant on these three to perform as there is no proper cover or assistance for them.

In the midfield we have lost Kouyate, Gallagher and McArthur is constantly injured and Milivojevic past his best so we buy just one recognised replacement and we try to shoehorn Eze Olise and Schlupp into positions where they are not comfortable and they get consistently run off the ball.

I would suggest our buying has been generally pretty average at best and I would be happier if they stuck to their own mantra of only buying players who can operate in the first team squad and then introduce players gradually from the youngsters.

I genuinely think we are in serious trouble second half of the season if we don’t resolve the midfield issue and get some defensive support in. I think we have the attacking flair to win games but only if we secure decent ball in midfield first which will allow the front 3 to flourish.

I wouldn’t disagree with any of this, but worth noting that the only difference between the starting XI yesterday and the team who beat West Ham 2-1, and more than matched them for 90 minutes, was Tomkins replacing Guehi. Is Tomkins that bad? Fulham that good? Or did we just look rusty and half asleep for the whole game

 

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View southnorwoodhill's Profile southnorwoodhill Flag 27 Dec 22 8.55am Send a Private Message to southnorwoodhill Add southnorwoodhill as a friend

Originally posted by Davepalace707

I wouldn’t disagree with any of this, but worth noting that the only difference between the starting XI yesterday and the team who beat West Ham 2-1, and more than matched them for 90 minutes, was Tomkins replacing Guehi. Is Tomkins that bad? Fulham that good? Or did we just look rusty and half asleep for the whole game

Yes. Way beyond his sell by date. It was noted at the beginning of the season that should either of Andersen or Guehi pick up an injury or get suspended then the lack of cover is minimal at best. And thanks to expert foresight from the management, here we are.

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 27 Dec 22 8.58am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

Yep agree with all of that.

Tomkins was woeful today. Was a great signing for us IMHO and has served the club well. By the same token the same could be said about the likes of Ian Wright, however I have no great desire to see him play as the only option following a single suspension.

On top of that, we only had one recognisable midfielder in midfield, no striker on the pitch and nothing to offer off the bench.

We’ve some great players in the squad but can’t even make an obvious starting XI. Our lack of depth is looking likely to be our downfall and now the starting team is in doubt.
I also anticipate that no further funds will be available.

Today was a catastrophe start to finish, and highly unlikely to repeat, however you can’t help but feel it really exposed our precarious position in terms of playing staff.

I can accept that he was not match fit as he so rarely plays or is fit so his positional play and pace may not be up to scratch.

However I don't accept that when you are on an experienced player on a booking throwing your elbow at another player is a good idea. Mitrovic made a meal of it but all PL players do these days.

Anyway same old Palace too many mice pies.

 


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View YT's Profile YT Flag Oxford 27 Dec 22 9.05am Send a Private Message to YT Add YT as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

Last season McArthur played about 20 games,Gallagher about 40 games and Kouyate about 30 games.They all made positive contributions.
Our midfield 'Engine room' is vastly weakened by their absence.

We signed Doucoure in the summer but the other signings were a backup goalkeeper, Richards who has been injured and an inexperienced Ebiowei.

Our performances have been dire in our last 2 games, another defeat on the back of an abject performance at Bournemouth and HOL will be at its splenetic worst.

Yet even after the Forest shambles, members were convincing themselves that all we needed was a good break (with very few of our players going to the World Cup) and we'd come back all guns blazing to destroy Fulham on Boxing Day.

 


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View southnorwoodhill's Profile southnorwoodhill Flag 27 Dec 22 9.07am Send a Private Message to southnorwoodhill Add southnorwoodhill as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

I can accept that he was not match fit as he so rarely plays or is fit so his positional play and pace may not be up to scratch.

However I don't accept that when you are on an experienced player on a booking throwing your elbow at another player is a good idea. Mitrovic made a meal of it but all PL players do these days.

Anyway same old Palace too many mice pies.

When the cat's away...

 

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View PatrickA's Profile PatrickA Flag London 27 Dec 22 9.16am Send a Private Message to PatrickA Add PatrickA as a friend

In a post match interview Vieira said he may have to reconsider how we set up.
This sounds as if lessons are being learnt.
However, he made similar noises after the Everton game but in subsequent games has still persisted with only one defensive midfielder with players shoehorned into roles that don’t suit them.

I raised the issue some months ago as to whether it was possible to include Zaha, Eze and Olise all in the same team on a regular basis in a tough competitive Premier League.
Even though they are all very talented, I remain unconvinced.
It’s difficult to have three players who don’t contribute out of possession , particularly when you only play with one defensive midfield player.
There also has to be a question mark about using Zaha regularly as a centre forward even if he is our most likely goal scorer.
It’s not playing to his strengths as he spends his whole game chasing lost causes or trying to battle physical centre halves .
I wonder if part of the reason that Zaha is used up front is because Vieira is of the view that it will allow him a system to also to accommodate Eze and Olise in the team.

After Bournemouth we have a really tough run of games coming up and I really hope that lessons have been learnt with a more suitable playing system which allows us first to compete in the midfield to get a foothold in games.
We all hoped McArthur would be fit for the second half of the season, but this looks more and more unlikely.
The noises about signings in January don’t sound too promising so Vieira may well have to look at existing resources to resolve the problems in midfield and restore a proper balance in the team.
For me this would mean Edouard up front , Zaha restored to the left of a front three and a more defensive midfielder introduced at the expense of either Eze or Olise.

 

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View Dubai Eagle's Profile Dubai Eagle Flag 27 Dec 22 10.45am Send a Private Message to Dubai Eagle Add Dubai Eagle as a friend

In the post game interview against Everton, about the 3rd question to be asked of PV was - Would you consider playing with 2 defensive midfielders? The answer was a clear no -

The interview is still available on Palace TV -

Maybe this is one of the things he is now considering -
If not then ...............

 

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View Osvaldo's Profile Osvaldo Flag Epsom 27 Dec 22 11.20am Send a Private Message to Osvaldo Add Osvaldo as a friend

agree with all that has been said.
Our manager is a bit like Southgate, reacts too late to introduce substitutions. Players have got to act more responsibly and not be careless with tackles.
After such a long break, you would think they would have come out and given the fans something to shout about, the opposite, it was dreadful. Pay good money to watch highly paid rubbish.
In the January window we must get a couple of strikers, even if it means going into the Championship or Morocco - Rashid Harkouk!
Clearly we need Wan Bisaka asap.
This is a poor team that has good individual players who are not playing to their full potential. The team does need a complete overall. Hopefully, Bournemouth have a bad day on Saturday!
I am truly concerned because with performances like this, the Championship is beckoning!

 

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View thai-eagle's Profile thai-eagle Flag chiang mai 27 Dec 22 11.40am Send a Private Message to thai-eagle Add thai-eagle as a friend

We will see how much the gaffer has learnt when he puts out his chosen 11 with Bournemouth as opposition.
I would like to see:
Guieta
Clyne - Andersen - Guehi - Riedewald
Luka - Doucoure - Hughes (beef up the midfield)
Olise - Edouard/Mateta - Zaha

PS! Anyone know what has happened to keeper Johnstone?

 

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