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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 05 Feb 23 8.24pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by sydtheeagle

I think there is a fourth option, and it's actually the one we're following. Basically, it's your option one (above) but, because we have limited funds, it's being enacted over three years rather than all at once. PV is getting the players that fit his style, but it's taking far more time than we'd ideally want to bring them in.

If we were Chelsea, Olise, Eze, Richards, Ahamada, Gallagher, Edouard, Mateta, Lokonga, Andersen, and Guehi would have all arrived in a single window, and if not that then in two windows. I think we're doing exactly what they'd do, but it's taking us three years rather than one to do it.

In some ways it's the right approach. Ideally, we wouldn't be underfunded and we wouldn't even need to discuss this but as long as we are, staying the course with the manager and taking a measured, long-term view of squad building - frustrating as it may be in the interim - is probably the best way forward. We'll know, to a point, in a few weeks time. If Ahamada and Lokonga impress and we start to look like a considerably better side over the next month, then it'll be easier to feel good about the jigsaw puzzle being assembled in this way.

IMHO that is option number 3 Syd. The praying things go well is looking more and more likely, unless it is deemed that we are in no danger whatsoever.

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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View Elwissthebest's Profile Elwissthebest Flag Marlborough 05 Feb 23 8.54pm Send a Private Message to Elwissthebest Add Elwissthebest as a friend

Originally posted by Jacey

Lack of quality investment in this window, will virtually ensure we find our natural level next season,the Championship.

You may well be right. Five points from the last twenty four available. The games coming up? We could lose every one of them. I don't suppose we will.

You get what you pay for and we don't pay out much. There's more than an element of 'Emperor's Clothes' about Patrick Vieira. He's eloquent, we want him to do well. Whether he gets the best out of this group of players is arguable.

Edited by Elwissthebest (05 Feb 2023 8.55pm)

 

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View doombear's Profile doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 05 Feb 23 9.17pm Send a Private Message to doombear Add doombear as a friend

Originally posted by Swindy

And the complacency re relegation goes on and on.


As does the bedwetting.

 

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View EddieMac's Profile EddieMac Flag 05 Feb 23 9.30pm Send a Private Message to EddieMac Add EddieMac as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

I really do not believe we will collect many points from the next few fixtures.
I fervently hope that the likes of Bournemouth, Southampton,and Leeds also struggle to garner points in the same period.

Edited by Willo (05 Feb 2023 8.23pm)

I actually looked at the fixtures earlier and thought to myself that the next 4 games were a decent run for picking up points.

 

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View doombear's Profile doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 05 Feb 23 9.57pm Send a Private Message to doombear Add doombear as a friend

Originally posted by EddieMac

I actually looked at the fixtures earlier and thought to myself that the next 4 games were a decent run for picking up points.


I agree. I still think we can get 8 points out of the next 6 games so as to reach the 10 I suggested we'd get at the beginning of this tough run.

 

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View NEILLO's Profile NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 05 Feb 23 11.43pm Send a Private Message to NEILLO Add NEILLO as a friend

Itís hugely disappointing that we are having to debate this issue at all, given where we were 12 months ago.

My perception now is that the club just want to hold onto PL status as cheaply as possible, survive this season and then have a financial reset in the summer when we have a number of players coming to the end of their contracts.

If thatís the case then itís frustrating not only for us fans, but the manager as well.

It becomes a test of nerve, and some people are all doom and gloom already. And thatís after a really tough run of fixtures. Performances have shown some improvement of late but our lack of composure in front of goal is hurting us.

I think we will be ok, but it feels like a Roy type slog to 40 points albeit with a radically different playing style

 


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View Vectis's Profile Vectis Flag 05 Feb 23 11.46pm Send a Private Message to Vectis Add Vectis as a friend

Interesting thoughts and questions. You could argue that the current academy could result in Ďthe team of the late 2020sí in the similar fashion to how Ďthe team of the 80sí came about, but this time built on the foundations of the style of play instigated by PV. As you say it could be suggested El Tel just reaped the benefits of the work done by Allison. However, it was a long painful process to get there and 6 years out of the top division to get there. Does anybody want to endure that again? And of course the dream team of the 80s fell apart within 2 years of gaining promotion to the top tier!

Originally posted by sydtheeagle

What cannot be contested is that while Allison never reaped the fruit, he did plant the tree. He changed our style and led the transition to and initial success of what was then the best youth setup in the country. The reinvention of Palace occurred under his watch. Yes, he didn't get us over the hump; it was Terry Venables who did that (and reaped the dividends) but without Allison doing the legwork and rebuilding our entire philosophy, there's a strong argument that the Team of the Eighties would never have happened.

All this leads to a valid question. If Vieira is, as you suggest, possibly a latterday Malcolm Allison and we moved on from him at the end of this season but, in two years' time we found ourselves in Europe, how much more fondly would PV's critics today look back on his time as our manager? And equally, if we had stuck with Big Mal for another twelve months, would we have won the promotion that Venables led us to anyway? Just food for thought.

 

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View Vectis's Profile Vectis Flag 06 Feb 23 12.12am Send a Private Message to Vectis Add Vectis as a friend

I think a lot of people would stop going if it happened again and before you know it you are looking at how Charlton and Portsmouth have ended up. Some may argue not being in the Premier doesnít really matter, but not sure enough do these days when the financial rewards are so massively different between the divisions, far more than was the case years ago

Originally posted by cryrst

The big question though is would you still go to Selhurst ?

 

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View viveasheagle's Profile viveasheagle Flag perth 06 Feb 23 3.33am Send a Private Message to viveasheagle Add viveasheagle as a friend

I think we are right in the mix for a relegation spot. My main reasons are our inability to create chances coupled with the other team's now all starting to look better than us. Bournemouth are creating chances as are Southampton (thankfully Che Adams keeps missing them)
Can we avoid the drop? What needs to happen? Move the ball quicker - our play is too ponderous. Get more players forward - our full backs too often don't get forward or and we have the ball in our own half and the only players to pass to are in our own half. Start games more quickly - we are often too passive and it takes us to concede a goal before we go looking to score.
Get McCarthur up to speed asap. Providing he is at the level he was before he got injured he can help Doucoure win more of the ball to start counter attacks.
Keep working on the final pass and our finishing - both have not been great at times this season.
We also need to have everyone fit and ready to go in April when we are playing the teams around us and have best chance of picking up points.

 

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View Painter's Profile Painter Flag Croydon 06 Feb 23 6.23am Send a Private Message to Painter Add Painter as a friend

It appears fans are bored of being mid table and are desperate for a relegation battle for a bit of excitement.

We havent been anywhere near relegation since 2016.

 

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View southnorwoodhill's Profile southnorwoodhill Flag 06 Feb 23 6.33am Send a Private Message to southnorwoodhill Add southnorwoodhill as a friend

Option 5 - there are always 3 worse teams than us*

*proven thus far

 

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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 06 Feb 23 6.59am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

My assessment of Havertz is that he is not quite a No 10 or a No 9 but is a hybrid.

A few years ago he said he has played as a No 6, a No 8, a No 10, out wide and as a striker but he prefers to play as a No 10.
At Bayer Leverkusen he often played as an attacking midfielder but also in central midfield, out wide and as a striker.

Are you aware that this is "Palace" Talk?

 

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