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View Uphill's Profile Uphill Flag Bedford 06 Feb 23 7.19pm Send a Private Message to Uphill Add Uphill as a friend

I think we will have a better idea as to our future by the end of this month.

The vital key is how our new midfielders bed-in and can provide a more attacking outlook.

My main worry is that PV is not strong enough to influence the team as he (and the team) continue to make the same mistakes.

If the 'fighting spirit' shown in the Man Utd fracas is translated into a similar attitude on the field I think we shall be safe.

But we do need to improve markedly to make progress.

 


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View Willo's Profile Willo Online Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 06 Feb 23 7.37pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Uphill

I think we will have a better idea as to our future by the end of this month.

The vital key is how our new midfielders bed-in and can provide a more attacking outlook.

My main worry is that PV is not strong enough to influence the team as he (and the team) continue to make the same mistakes.

If the 'fighting spirit' shown in the Man Utd fracas is translated into a similar attitude on the field I think we shall be safe.

But we do need to improve markedly to make progress.

We are reliant on them to make a difference.If they do not make positive contributions, I believe we could well be relegated.

Everton and Leeds with new managers could get that 'Bounce', Nottm For have won 3 of their last 4 PL games and have not been defeated in their last 7 home PL games.We have only won 1 of our last 8 PL games and our next few fixtures are certainly challenging.
I do not envisage, Wolves, W.Ham and Leicester being relegated.

Edited by Willo (06 Feb 2023 7.43pm)

 

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View EddieMac's Profile EddieMac Flag 06 Feb 23 7.39pm Send a Private Message to EddieMac Add EddieMac as a friend

Southampton and Bournemouth are almost certs to be relegated.

 

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View PatrickA's Profile PatrickA Flag London 06 Feb 23 7.43pm Send a Private Message to PatrickA Add PatrickA as a friend

De Boer was hardly through the door when he announced his intention to play 532 despite not knowing his players nor whether they were capable of playing the formation.
He alienated the squad , would not adapt, and his reign was short lived.

Similarly Vieira joined and ,before working with the players, immediately announced an intention to ply 433 with Ďone number 6 and two number 8sí in midfield.
Fortunately we had Gallagher, McArthur and Kouyate who had the right skill set to make the formation work and we played effective and eye catching football.
All looked very promising.
However, this season we havenít had those three players and I would contend that only Doucoure is comfortable in the Ďone number 6 and two number8ísí formation.
Schlupp, Eze, Olise, Hughes and Luka have all been tried in the formation and none have looked comfortable.
Our midfield formation this season has neither protected our back four nor provided a good service to our forwards.
The tendency has been to blame the players as not good enough, but it could equally be argued that they donít suit the roles they are being asked to perform.
Hughes and Luka donít have the energy and arguably need to play in a 4 or 5 man midfield.
Schlupp and Ayew have physical qualities, but ultimately are not authentic midfield players in their reading of the game.
Eze and Olise have bags of natural talent , but their work off the ball mean they are not suitable to play the number 8 roles.
Maybe the two new additions and the hopeful return of McArthur will mean that we can get the midfield formation to work again.
Nonetheless, itís difficult to understand why weíve played the first half of the season with players playing in roles that they struggle with.
Good management is about making the most of available resources and this surely entails playing players in their most effective positions rather than being wedded to a particular tactical formation.

Originally posted by palace99

i would hope that the 3 relegated teams come from the current bottom 4 - Leeds, Everton, Bournemouth and Southampton, however, i am quite worried. The bottom 2 have spent big in the Jan window, so this could come good, and clearly Dyche at Everton is making a difference.

I don't think we have really performed this season, regardless of points to date, and overall we look weaker than last season.
Our 'style' of play is also questionable. We don't have the midfield to pass put from the back, but persist with this every week regardless of personnel - Tomkins and Richard do not possess the passing ability of Andersen.
We have looked vulnerable on the wings all season yet nothing seems to get addressed in games to counter this e.g. Spurs wingbacks had so much freedom to come forward a few weeks ago. At H/T despite playing well i said we needed to cut this supply out. Instead the 1st go came from a cross from the LWB and the 3rd was scored by the RWB.
We play the same formation and team almost every week and our top 4 whilst talented are a pretty lazy bunch with no heading ability.
I have said for ages i am not sure we can play Eze and Olise is the same team alongside Zaha. I think PV is finally realising this.
Ultimately we do not score enough goals. Without goals we will always struggle.
Hopefully PV can sort this out as i want him to succeed, however, things cannot continue as they are now.

 

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View jabber's Profile jabber Flag pease pottage 06 Feb 23 7.51pm Send a Private Message to jabber Add jabber as a friend

Originally posted by southnorwoodhill

Goals can come from anywhere and all count. A particular favourite of mine was route one against Manchester United whereby Guaita punted a long ball for Schlupp to head on into the path of Ayew who calmly side footed past a hapless De Gea, marvellous.

That must've been the last time he scored

 

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View PJEagle's Profile PJEagle Flag London 06 Feb 23 8.26pm Send a Private Message to PJEagle Add PJEagle as a friend

Originally posted by PatrickA

De Boer was hardly through the door when he announced his intention to play 532 despite not knowing his players nor whether they were capable of playing the formation.
He alienated the squad , would not adapt, and his reign was short lived.

Similarly Vieira joined and ,before working with the players, immediately announced an intention to ply 433 with Ďone number 6 and two number 8sí in midfield.
Fortunately we had Gallagher, McArthur and Kouyate who had the right skill set to make the formation work and we played effective and eye catching football.
All looked very promising.
However, this season we havenít had those three players and I would contend that only Doucoure is comfortable in the Ďone number 6 and two number8ísí formation.
Schlupp, Eze, Olise, Hughes and Luka have all been tried in the formation and none have looked comfortable.
Our midfield formation this season has neither protected our back four nor provided a good service to our forwards.
The tendency has been to blame the players as not good enough, but it could equally be argued that they donít suit the roles they are being asked to perform.
Hughes and Luka donít have the energy and arguably need to play in a 4 or 5 man midfield.
Schlupp and Ayew have physical qualities, but ultimately are not authentic midfield players in their reading of the game.
Eze and Olise have bags of natural talent , but their work off the ball mean they are not suitable to play the number 8 roles.
Maybe the two new additions and the hopeful return of McArthur will mean that we can get the midfield formation to work again.
Nonetheless, itís difficult to understand why weíve played the first half of the season with players playing in roles that they struggle with.
Good management is about making the most of available resources and this surely entails playing players in their most effective positions rather than being wedded to a particular tactical formation.


Does anyone know when Andersen is back? He's a big miss

 

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View Lanzo-Ad's Profile Lanzo-Ad Flag Lanzarote 06 Feb 23 8.45pm Send a Private Message to Lanzo-Ad Add Lanzo-Ad as a friend

Originally posted by PatrickA

De Boer was hardly through the door when he announced his intention to play 532 despite not knowing his players nor whether they were capable of playing the formation.
He alienated the squad , would not adapt, and his reign was short lived.

Similarly Vieira joined and ,before working with the players, immediately announced an intention to ply 433 with Ďone number 6 and two number 8sí in midfield.
Fortunately we had Gallagher, McArthur and Kouyate who had the right skill set to make the formation work and we played effective and eye catching football.
All looked very promising.
However, this season we havenít had those three players and I would contend that only Doucoure is comfortable in the Ďone number 6 and two number8ísí formation.
Schlupp, Eze, Olise, Hughes and Luka have all been tried in the formation and none have looked comfortable.
Our midfield formation this season has neither protected our back four nor provided a good service to our forwards.
The tendency has been to blame the players as not good enough, but it could equally be argued that they donít suit the roles they are being asked to perform.
Hughes and Luka donít have the energy and arguably need to play in a 4 or 5 man midfield.
Schlupp and Ayew have physical qualities, but ultimately are not authentic midfield players in their reading of the game.
Eze and Olise have bags of natural talent , but their work off the ball mean they are not suitable to play the number 8 roles.
Maybe the two new additions and the hopeful return of McArthur will mean that we can get the midfield formation to work again.
Nonetheless, itís difficult to understand why weíve played the first half of the season with players playing in roles that they struggle with.
Good management is about making the most of available resources and this surely entails playing players in their most effective positions rather than being wedded to a particular tactical formation.

The strange thing about De Boer was in his last game, away to Burnley, we played fantastic, 27 shots to their 4, the worst luck i have ever seen, and we lost 1-0, to a Chung Lee back pass, strange to think if we had won easily like we should have if he would have been sacked.

 


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View YT's Profile YT Flag Oxford 06 Feb 23 9.27pm Send a Private Message to YT Add YT as a friend

Originally posted by jabber

That must've been the last time he scored

You've forgotten his goal in our last win, against Bournemouth.

 


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View jabber's Profile jabber Flag pease pottage 06 Feb 23 10.21pm Send a Private Message to jabber Add jabber as a friend

Originally posted by YT

You've forgotten his goal in our last win, against Bournemouth.

I did wow how prolific.

 

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View NEILLO's Profile NEILLO Online Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 06 Feb 23 10.28pm Send a Private Message to NEILLO Add NEILLO as a friend

Could be weíre only looking at 2 places to go down with City !

 


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View Willo's Profile Willo Online Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 06 Feb 23 11.34pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by EddieMac

Southampton and Bournemouth are almost certs to be relegated.

Some Southampton supporters want Jones to be relieved of his duties after 6 defeats in 7 PL games on his watch.
He did however join the club when they were 18th and they have signed 5 players in the January 'Window' for a total of around £60 Mill.

Edited by Willo (06 Feb 2023 11.37pm)

 

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View HKOwen's Profile HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 07 Feb 23 1.12am Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

Originally posted by PatrickA

You could say the same of the likes of Bobby Moore, Bobby Charlton and more recently Ray Wilkins, Tony Adams and Frank Lampard.
Being a great player, and having a great deal more football knowledge than the average fan, does not necessarily equate to being a great manager .
If one accepts the manager is always right ,when his decisions are queried by supporters, you may as well do away with discussion forums.
No doubt managers would be very content with this outcome.

As I said it's all about opinions

 


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