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View PJEagle's Profile PJEagle Flag London 07 Feb 23 2.34am Send a Private Message to PJEagle Add PJEagle as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

We are not even half-way through the campaign.

I am thinking depth of squads, injuries, will any of our young academy players come through for example, 22 games to play in the PL is quite a stretch.

The challenge is to survive until end of season. A lot of players will go then at the end of their contracts and wwe will then have. (Hopefully) a massive influx of new talent

 

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View taylors lovechild's Profile taylors lovechild Online Flag 07 Feb 23 6.59am Send a Private Message to taylors lovechild Add taylors lovechild as a friend

Originally posted by Jacey

Frankly,if we are to stay in the Premiership,we should urgently look to appoint Sam or Roy,to guarantee survival.
Otherwise,stay with Mr.Nice Guy PV,who is slowly but surely leading us to the Championship.

Screw that, let's bring back Mr Bouncebackability, or how about Dave Bassett, is he still alive? Warnock was great too. In fact, I propose we only look at retired managers who like to swear a lot.

 

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View The Dolphin's Profile The Dolphin Flag 07 Feb 23 7.47am Send a Private Message to The Dolphin Add The Dolphin as a friend

Patrick A - great post.
It boils down to PV needing to get the best out of what he has got instead of taking us down trying to play the beautiful game.
Adapting and being pro-active are what he needs to be right now but he continues to bang the same drum and we keep losing.
Be sure, losing is a mentality when it keeps happening and I am worried.
Luka may not be anyone's idea of what we need right now but he could protect the back 4 leaving Doucoure to go forward a bit more.
Maybe with the new players arriving that might not now be needed but it would have been a good idea over the last ten games or so.
He is a square peg/round hole Manager - never a good thing!

 

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View YT's Profile YT Flag Oxford 07 Feb 23 8.30am Send a Private Message to YT Add YT as a friend

Originally posted by jabber

I did wow how prolific.

Why the sarcasm? I never said he was prolific, I merely pointed out that you had made an incorrect statement about him.

But since you used the word 'prolific; in terms of the current goal-shy squad, he IS relatively prolific.

 


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View taylors lovechild's Profile taylors lovechild Online Flag 07 Feb 23 8.52am Send a Private Message to taylors lovechild Add taylors lovechild as a friend

I'm sorry but Luka is no longer the answer to any question other than 'Who is the next player to get booked?' He seems like a great character but he's no longer up to it at PL level and he takes so long on the ball the referee probably considers stopping his watch for timewasting.

The facts are that results against all but the big 6 are pretty good:

6 wins
4 draws
3 defeats

22 out of a possible 39 points

Against the big 6 (Chelsea, Arsenal, United, City, Spuds, Liverpool) they are not great:

0 wins
2 draws
6 defeats

2 points out of a possible 24

What this says to me is our more patient, controlled play is effective against weaker opposition, but doesn't offer enough threat against the big teams. On paper this puts us in a strong position if a similar pattern follows for the remainder of the season as we only have 4 games left against the big 6 due to the ridiculous scheduling of our fixtures.

Of course you cannot guarantee the second half will pan out the same as the first, but I do think our fixtures since the WC have cast a negative light on us as only the Fulham game is one we may have expected more from. In our 10 years in this PL stint our points against the big 6 are memorable, but few and far between.

 

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View Lanzo-Ad's Profile Lanzo-Ad Flag Lanzarote 07 Feb 23 8.53am Send a Private Message to Lanzo-Ad Add Lanzo-Ad as a friend

Originally posted by The Dolphin

Patrick A - great post.
It boils down to PV needing to get the best out of what he has got instead of taking us down trying to play the beautiful game.
Adapting and being pro-active are what he needs to be right now but he continues to bang the same drum and we keep losing.
Be sure, losing is a mentality when it keeps happening and I am worried.
Luka may not be anyone's idea of what we need right now but he could protect the back 4 leaving Doucoure to go forward a bit more.
Maybe with the new players arriving that might not now be needed but it would have been a good idea over the last ten games or so.
He is a square peg/round hole Manager - never a good thing!

Spot on, Derry was a Realist, PV is a Fantasist.

 


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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 07 Feb 23 8.55am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

Screw that, let's bring back Mr Bouncebackability, or how about Dave Bassett, is he still alive? Warnock was great too. In fact, I propose we only look at retired managers who like to swear a lot.

Dave Bassett was present at the AFC Wimbledon v Stockport game a couple of weeks ago.

 

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View palace chick's Profile palace chick Flag South Croydon 07 Feb 23 8.56am Send a Private Message to palace chick Add palace chick as a friend

Originally posted by PatrickA

De Boer was hardly through the door when he announced his intention to play 532 despite not knowing his players nor whether they were capable of playing the formation.
He alienated the squad , would not adapt, and his reign was short lived.

Similarly Vieira joined and ,before working with the players, immediately announced an intention to ply 433 with Ďone number 6 and two number 8sí in midfield.
Fortunately we had Gallagher, McArthur and Kouyate who had the right skill set to make the formation work and we played effective and eye catching football.
All looked very promising.
However, this season we havenít had those three players and I would contend that only Doucoure is comfortable in the Ďone number 6 and two number8ísí formation.
Schlupp, Eze, Olise, Hughes and Luka have all been tried in the formation and none have looked comfortable.
Our midfield formation this season has neither protected our back four nor provided a good service to our forwards.
The tendency has been to blame the players as not good enough, but it could equally be argued that they donít suit the roles they are being asked to perform.
Hughes and Luka donít have the energy and arguably need to play in a 4 or 5 man midfield.
Schlupp and Ayew have physical qualities, but ultimately are not authentic midfield players in their reading of the game.
Eze and Olise have bags of natural talent , but their work off the ball mean they are not suitable to play the number 8 roles.
Maybe the two new additions and the hopeful return of McArthur will mean that we can get the midfield formation to work again.
Nonetheless, itís difficult to understand why weíve played the first half of the season with players playing in roles that they struggle with.
Good management is about making the most of available resources and this surely entails playing players in their most effective positions rather than being wedded to a particular tactical formation.


Couldnít have put it any better. Totally agree with your comments on PVís team this season and his inability to adapt to a playing style to suit the players we now have? Letís hope the two new additions can make the difference, otherwise we will go down :-(


 

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View southnorwoodhill's Profile southnorwoodhill Flag 07 Feb 23 9.26am Send a Private Message to southnorwoodhill Add southnorwoodhill as a friend

Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad

Spot on, Derry was a Realist, PV is a Fantasist.

He's a fantasist in the sense that he believes the type of football he played and players he played with at Arsenal under Wenger (Henry, Bergkamp, Cole, Ljungberg etc) and the French national side can be recreated at Palace with the likes of Eze, Schlupp, Ayew etc.
Clearly this is what he knows and can't be blamed for it, he's played with the very best, but failing to adjust his expectations and adopting a more pragmatic approach may well be his downfall.

 

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View NEILLO's Profile NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 07 Feb 23 9.55am Send a Private Message to NEILLO Add NEILLO as a friend

I donít get this obsession with Shaun Derry. The very epitome of a one trick pony style of management. Heís failed at two lower league clubs. His approach to player management may have been effective at junior level at Palace, but itís a different scenario at first team level. The Sergeant Major methodology doesnít work there.

Anybody on here played on his team in the Robert Eaton games ?

 


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View palace99's Profile palace99 Flag New Mills 07 Feb 23 10.22am Send a Private Message to palace99 Add palace99 as a friend

Originally posted by NEILLO

I donít get this obsession with Shaun Derry. The very epitome of a one trick pony style of management. Heís failed at two lower league clubs. His approach to player management may have been effective at junior level at Palace, but itís a different scenario at first team level. The Sergeant Major methodology doesnít work there.

Anybody on here played on his team in the Robert Eaton games ?

a story from a Cambridge supporting mate. When managing there he reported the chairman/owner to the management association for bullying.

Now, whilst i'm not supporting bullies, for 'hard man' Derry to consider he was being bullied by a old bloke in a suit seems a little bizarre

 

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View monkey's Profile monkey Flag Marooned in Kent 07 Feb 23 10.29am Send a Private Message to monkey Add monkey as a friend

Originally posted by NEILLO

I donít get this obsession with Shaun Derry. The very epitome of a one trick pony style of management. Heís failed at two lower league clubs. His approach to player management may have been effective at junior level at Palace, but itís a different scenario at first team level. The Sergeant Major methodology doesnít work there.

Anybody on here played on his team in the Robert Eaton games ?

Me neither, also he was actually pretty s*** as a player for us, I think a lot of people have forgotten this because he was part of the team that escaped relegation on the last day in Sheffield

 

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