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View Vaibow's Profile Vaibow Flag vancouver/croydon 12 Mar 23 10.00pm Send a Private Message to Vaibow Add Vaibow as a friend

Originally posted by Elwissthebest

I suspect we've had it this time.
Teams like Man City can beat you 9-0, so yesterday was no disgrace and that match was never going to define the season. We won't pick up any points against Brighton or Arsenal, so the struggle to get eleven more points starts after that.
And, having watched Palace for nearly sixty years, I'm not too bothered. It's just another episode, really. Heresy though it will seem, Im not too bothered which division we play in. Lots of fans who have only ever supported us as a Premiership club will drop off and it'll be back to 15,000 gates and a crap ground. But hey- ho. We've been there before. The Premiership is of course the Holy Grail, but it's no sort of competition: the big teams have all the money, get all the best players and refereeing decisions 'curiously' always seem to go in their favour. That Palace has now had a consecutive run of over ten seasons is a massive over-achievement, given the lack of gates and investment needed to achieve more, or even hang on at this level.
What is most disappointing is that it's a long while since we had a result that is unexpected- like the win at City last year. There's simply been no magic to this campaign, no excitement.
What is worrying is this failure to land a single shot on target during a match. Is it that difficult? I find the distrust of Edouard, and, for that matter, the obsession with picking Ayew, unfathomable. Why not try Edouard and Mateta from the start? You can't do worse than no strikes on goal.
So, if we go down, it won't be the worst thing. We'll have to see some home-grown players, for a change. For all the talk about our Academy, it has produced Wan-Bissaka, who earned a decent fee,and Mitchell, who isn't going to set the world alight.
I just don't see any passion or identification with the club from the present crop. There are no leaders out there, and certainly no characters. It's like we have a goalkeeper and then ten identical players in front of him.

Spot on. I agree and feel the same. Been supporting palace through Noades, Goldberg, Jordan to now, seen us nearly drop to the 3rd tier - I enjoy palace when we are winning and giving it a go, not looking over our shoulder...

If all we have from our decade in the prem is a decent academy, so be it - at least in the champ we will be starting more of our own players.

The prem is a tricky one... get in it, spend big and compete but never turning a profit if never winning silverware or getting Europe.

Get in, take the money and run, riding your luck until kicked out - that's what we should have done. We should have given it a go and enjoyed the ride taking the cash and investing.

There was a turning point, with Pardew, Europe talk and buying/loaning players we should never have... that's when we lost our soul... Sam A ws bought in to fix that mess, short term.. he did and Roy was left with the pieces... next up should have been Sean Dyche and rebuild... not PV and a change of style.

 


This was once a quality forum....

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View PalazioVecchio's Profile PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 12 Mar 23 10.05pm Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

if you offered me fourth from bottom, by a tiny margin of goal-difference........i would snap your arm off.


although i am beginning to feel we deserve the championship next season. It's where many of our players truly belong.

Edited by PalazioVecchio (12 Mar 2023 10.13pm)

 


inr n-aonar i Anerley, uimhir a haon londain theas

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View Far away fan's Profile Far away fan Flag On the border of jungle 13 Mar 23 2.27am Send a Private Message to Far away fan Add Far away fan as a friend

I will not make a thread by itself, this summer CPFC will be sold if we stay up or sooner, very rich backers

 

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View taylors lovechild's Profile taylors lovechild Flag 13 Mar 23 7.05am Send a Private Message to taylors lovechild Add taylors lovechild as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

Great post all round but thoroughly agree in bold.

I'd also add, for me, there seems to be an odd sort of desperation to romanticise about PV and defend him from all criticism amongst some. The worst and weakest argument in the world of 'who else then?' seems to keep coming up which is very bizarre. He's not an ex-player, didn't walk to Palace as a youngster from his childhood home in Anerley, doesn't really exhibit any close connection with club etc. It's quite embarrassing and odd, as though we should be grateful for his mere presence at our club due to what he achieved as a player... with Arsenal! Talk about an inferiority complex and misplaced loyalty.

When Wilf is gone I really do fear for our 'identity' and that synergy between our players/coaches and fans. Just does not seem to be there anymore, even before we endeavoured to produce the worst run in PL history.

I haven't seen anyone defending him from all criticism. There have been some like me that have taken a pragmatic position and said that if you looked at the fixtures since Christmas which ones have we lost that you wouldn't expect us to and the fact is Fulham is probably the only one and maybe Villa. We almost beat Brentford. The rest of the games getting anything would seen as a bonus. I think Vieira needs to be braver in the games against the bigger teams, but unlike Roy he does put out attacking players like Eze when we play teams he considers at our level. He does need to improve our attacking play, but we're not alone in that boat. See Wolves, Southampton and Everton for their struggles in front of goal. I still maintain the fixture list screwed us this season putting a lot of pressure on the run in, but compare ours to all the other teams below us and you have to say we should stay up. Regarding the position of "is there anyone better?" Well, that's like saying I really like Olise, but I'd swap him for another winger who scores more and creates more if they wanted to come to Palace.

 

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View HesHereHesThere's Profile HesHereHesThere Flag Beckenham 13 Mar 23 8.10am Send a Private Message to HesHereHesThere Add HesHereHesThere as a friend

Ive said it before and Ill say it again - dropping back into the championship with 15k gates of true fans is all romantic cobblers.

We need the money from the PL, were not doing a very good job with it so can you imagine life without it..wed be in league one before you know it.

We need to stay up but Im not sure this team can do it and that is all down to Parish, freedman and the board. They provide the funds and appoint managers.

Its too late to change the PV whod touch usso Parish will get his ultimate adrenalin rush if we manage to stay up and I just hope it we can do it as relegation will be a complete disaster.

Edited by HesHereHesThere (13 Mar 2023 8.11am)

 

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View PatrickA's Profile PatrickA Flag London 13 Mar 23 8.55am Send a Private Message to PatrickA Add PatrickA as a friend

Speaking personally my support of Palace is not contingent on what division we are in.
Ive supported the club for over 50 years and no doubt will continue to do so .
Ive witnessed some dross over the years, but also had some great moments which will stay with me , and this applies through all the divisions.
I dont view this as some romantic tosh, but a reflection of how I see things.
I would prefer that we stay up, but also acknowledge that the games this season have not been that enjoyable with very little edge of your seat stuff and there has been a dearth of attacking football and a lack of atmosphere.
Surely its not too much to expect for us to try and average scoring a goal a game?
This despite being in the hallowed Premier League.
There is the consolation of more media coverage , but most of it is bland nonsense with an undue focus on over hyped players.
Im sure I could do without that.
Im not that keen on the exorbitant pricing or VAR for that matter.
To base a business model on having to stay up does not sound that robust to me.
Ive made a number of scattergun points and my view may seem old fashioned, in particular to newer fans who have only known the Premier League, but there we are.

 

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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 13 Mar 23 8.58am Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

I haven't seen anyone defending him from all criticism. There have been some like me that have taken a pragmatic position and said that if you looked at the fixtures since Christmas which ones have we lost that you wouldn't expect us to and the fact is Fulham is probably the only one and maybe Villa. We almost beat Brentford. The rest of the games getting anything would seen as a bonus. I think Vieira needs to be braver in the games against the bigger teams, but unlike Roy he does put out attacking players like Eze when we play teams he considers at our level. He does need to improve our attacking play, but we're not alone in that boat. See Wolves, Southampton and Everton for their struggles in front of goal. I still maintain the fixture list screwed us this season putting a lot of pressure on the run in, but compare ours to all the other teams below us and you have to say we should stay up. Regarding the position of "is there anyone better?" Well, that's like saying I really like Olise, but I'd swap him for another winger who scores more and creates more if they wanted to come to Palace.

There was literally a thread created called 'PV in' TL where one user went on to slate the players and call all those criticising PV 'idiots'. It's quite the post actually and immediately conjured up the image of someone enjoying therefore going a bit too far with a liquid lunch for me.

If you haven't seen that or any other examples that's fine but I have seen quite a few.

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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View taylors lovechild's Profile taylors lovechild Flag 13 Mar 23 9.31am Send a Private Message to taylors lovechild Add taylors lovechild as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

There was literally a thread created called 'PV in' TL where one user went on to slate the players and call all those criticising PV 'idiots'. It's quite the post actually and immediately conjured up the image of someone enjoying therefore going a bit too far with a liquid lunch for me.

If you haven't seen that or any other examples that's fine but I have seen quite a few.

Ok, fair enough, they were a bit zealous in their defence of PV! Personally, PV has some credit in the bank with me because last season was probably the best football I've seen in decades at Palace, but definitely in our current PL run. It showed what he could achieve with the right players. Before the WC people were talking about a possible push for Europe and since then we have struggled to lay a glove on the big teams, but we matched Brentford and, until the red card, looked as good as Villa. We have a win percentage of over 60% against the teams below us this season and respectable draws against Liverpool, United, and Newcastle (twice). If we were losing feebly to Southampton, Bournemouth or Leicester, for example, then I'd feel differently, but I still believe when we finally get a more favourable run of fixtures we'll get points on the board and attitudes will swing back the other way.

 

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View MrRobbo's Profile MrRobbo Flag Purley 13 Mar 23 9.47am Send a Private Message to MrRobbo Add MrRobbo as a friend

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

Ok, fair enough, they were a bit zealous in their defence of PV! Personally, PV has some credit in the bank with me because last season was probably the best football I've seen in decades at Palace, but definitely in our current PL run. It showed what he could achieve with the right players. Before the WC people were talking about a possible push for Europe and since then we have struggled to lay a glove on the big teams, but we matched Brentford and, until the red card, looked as good as Villa. We have a win percentage of over 60% against the teams below us this season and respectable draws against Liverpool, United, and Newcastle (twice). If we were losing feebly to Southampton, Bournemouth or Leicester, for example, then I'd feel differently, but I still believe when we finally get a more favourable run of fixtures we'll get points on the board and attitudes will swing back the other way.


This is where I'm at.

Its been a terrible run, we can all see that. And some of the football has been terrible.

But lets try to be pragmatic, there havent been many games we should have won on paper, and the draws of late have all been against good teams.

Lets not be one of those teams who sack at the slightest big of trouble. We are still 12th

 

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View Frickin Saweet's Profile Frickin Saweet Flag South Cronx 13 Mar 23 9.48am Send a Private Message to Frickin Saweet Add Frickin Saweet as a friend

Originally posted by HesHereHesThere

Ive said it before and Ill say it again - dropping back into the championship with 15k gates of true fans is all romantic cobblers.

We need the money from the PL, were not doing a very good job with it so can you imagine life without it..wed be in league one before you know it.

We need to stay up but Im not sure this team can do it and that is all down to Parish, freedman and the board. They provide the funds and appoint managers.

Its too late to change the PV whod touch usso Parish will get his ultimate adrenalin rush if we manage to stay up and I just hope it we can do it as relegation will be a complete disaster.

Edited by HesHereHesThere (13 Mar 2023 8.11am)

we don't 'need' to stay up. That is equally cobblers. I don't want us to go down but it's inevitable at some point in the future so get used to it. Relegation sucks, it always does, but it's not the end of the world. All part of the cycle and certainly a big part of being a Palace fan. It's just that some newer fans (and that's in no way a criticism) haven't experienced it yet! Hand on heart I've had more enjoyable experiences in the Championship/old first division than the Prem. And part of the fun is chasing the Holy Grail.

 

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View Den1923's Profile Den1923 Flag 13 Mar 23 9.48am Send a Private Message to Den1923 Add Den1923 as a friend

Originally posted by PatrickA

Speaking personally my support of Palace is not contingent on what division we are in.
Ive supported the club for over 50 years and no doubt will continue to do so .
Ive witnessed some dross over the years, but also had some great moments which will stay with me , and this applies through all the divisions.
I dont view this as some romantic tosh, but a reflection of how I see things.
I would prefer that we stay up, but also acknowledge that the games this season have not been that enjoyable with very little edge of your seat stuff and there has been a dearth of attacking football and a lack of atmosphere.
Surely its not too much to expect for us to try and average scoring a goal a game?
This despite being in the hallowed Premier League.
There is the consolation of more media coverage , but most of it is bland nonsense with an undue focus on over hyped players.
Im sure I could do without that.
Im not that keen on the exorbitant pricing or VAR for that matter.
To base a business model on having to stay up does not sound that robust to me.

Ive made a number of scattergun points and my view may seem old fashioned, in particular to newer fans who have only known the Premier League, but there we are.

You kissing goodbye to in excess of 150m in broadcasting and sponsor revenue alone if we are relegated and I expect all our good players to have ''get out clauses'' built in to their contracts as they will not want lower league football. The club's value will plunge overnight and this will have a negative, on how we could continue to fund the academy and any future development of the stadium. I was disappointed in my younger days when we finished in the bottom half of Division 3 (South) and were then founder members of the new Football league Division 4.

However for me anyway, being in the EPL for last 10 years has been the most exciting period in this clubs history, seeing the best players and teams in the world coming to Selhurst Park is just exceptional any way beyond my dreams when we were in Division 4. We have to do whatever is necessary if it is at all possible to keep our EPL status.

It looking increasingly possible that we may well do that as taking the latest results over the weekend in to consideration, the relegation final spot will be around 35/36 points and we should be able to scrap 38/39 points at least, finger crossed.

 

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View HesHereHesThere's Profile HesHereHesThere Flag Beckenham 13 Mar 23 10.00am Send a Private Message to HesHereHesThere Add HesHereHesThere as a friend

Originally posted by Frickin Saweet

we don't 'need' to stay up. That is equally cobblers. I don't want us to go down but it's inevitable at some point in the future so get used to it. Relegation sucks, it always does, but it's not the end of the world. All part of the cycle and certainly a big part of being a Palace fan. It's just that some newer fans (and that's in no way a criticism) haven't experienced it yet! Hand on heart I've had more enjoyable experiences in the Championship/old first division than the Prem. And part of the fun is chasing the Holy Grail.

I'm not sure protecting the revenue stream from the PL is cobblers...that kind of income can't ever be matched stuck in the Championship or league one.

Yes we've had some good times in the championship and one of my favourites was being on the pitch after beating Blackburn...but those moments were very few and far between, no way do I want to go back to the sh*t we had to endure under Burley, Francis and Freedman (pre car park talk from Parish).

I can't believe some people seem to have forgotten about just how sh*t that was.

 

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