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View taylors lovechild's Profile taylors lovechild Flag 13 Mar 23 10.07am Send a Private Message to taylors lovechild Add taylors lovechild as a friend

Plus points of relegation are it'll be easy to get tickets to most games, we'll probably win more and should score more. However, my memories of our last stint in the Championship were playing worse football than we do right now with worse players against weaker opposition with half-empty stands in the winter. From memory, we haven't played great football in the second tier probably since the season we won it with the likes of Armstrong, Southgate et all.

 

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View thai-eagle's Profile thai-eagle Flag chiang mai 13 Mar 23 10.10am Send a Private Message to thai-eagle Add thai-eagle as a friend

Three games on the trot and NO shot on goal! How is it really possible with the players we have got?

 

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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 13 Mar 23 10.15am Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

Ok, fair enough, they were a bit zealous in their defence of PV! Personally, PV has some credit in the bank with me because last season was probably the best football I've seen in decades at Palace, but definitely in our current PL run. It showed what he could achieve with the right players. Before the WC people were talking about a possible push for Europe and since then we have struggled to lay a glove on the big teams, but we matched Brentford and, until the red card, looked as good as Villa. We have a win percentage of over 60% against the teams below us this season and respectable draws against Liverpool, United, and Newcastle (twice). If we were losing feebly to Southampton, Bournemouth or Leicester, for example, then I'd feel differently, but I still believe when we finally get a more favourable run of fixtures we'll get points on the board and attitudes will swing back the other way.

I think that's fine and I'm almost aligned there with only my more panicky demeanour worried about leaving it all to a last run of games.

I'm not looking to slate PV, I think he's just lost a lot of what was earned credibility and I'd argue the only point in keeping him on would be if we were to spend money in the summer, which I always doubt. I have the feeling he will go in the not too distant future too, regardless of any of our opinions on the matter, which for me would therefore feel like a delay in taking necessary action. Any others articulating that which you have is fine by me and I think it's a fair position even if I am not completely aligned. What irks me is the lack of constructive arguments for keeping PV and instead those just looking to attack individuals who criticise him, even when it's completely logical and evidence backed albeit subjective (which it always will be).

My point was more around what, for me, seems like a strange, romantic, deity like worship and undying loyalty to PV even in what is an appallingly bad period. If the worst was to happen, the loyalty to him would appear to be worthy of clinical sectioning. I also think changing the manager is the only possible action that could be taken if this continues, can't do anything about playing staff or investment (or lack of) from Parish et al really. This season anyway.

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 13 Mar 23 10.28am Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

Plus points of relegation are it'll be easy to get tickets to most games, we'll probably win more and should score more. However, my memories of our last stint in the Championship were playing worse football than we do right now with worse players against weaker opposition with half-empty stands in the winter. From memory, we haven't played great football in the second tier probably since the season we won it with the likes of Armstrong, Southgate et all.

I was saying to my son last night, it may be bad but it will make it easier for me to get tickets to bring him.

 


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View PatrickA's Profile PatrickA Flag London 13 Mar 23 10.31am Send a Private Message to PatrickA Add PatrickA as a friend

My favourite team in recent years was the Championship team that had a front 3 of Bolassie, Murray and Zaha, and strong characters such as Jedi and Damo.
I couldn't wait until Saturdays and there was a period when we were freescoring with exciting wing play.
Murray got around 30 goals, more than we have scored all season.

I'm not advocating going down and don't want this to happen and recognise the financial implications.
I'm realistic though and Parish himself has ackowledged himself that we're likely to go down at some point.
What I don't enjoy is this sense of desperation that staying in the Premier League seems to engender.
Would people prefer the American model where there is no relegation so revenue streams are secured?
I want us to play well, be entertained and hopefully win.
The ceiling is getting higher and higher in the Premier League and we will find it increasingly difficult to compete without significant investment.
This is where I may differ from many fans as I don't want to be another Newcastle, Man City etc with how they are funded.
For all his faults, Parish is a genuine Palace fan who has the club's interests at heart.

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

Plus points of relegation are it'll be easy to get tickets to most games, we'll probably win more and should score more. However, my memories of our last stint in the Championship were playing worse football than we do right now with worse players against weaker opposition with half-empty stands in the winter. From memory, we haven't played great football in the second tier probably since the season we won it with the likes of Armstrong, Southgate et all.

 

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View PJEagle's Profile PJEagle Flag London 13 Mar 23 10.50am Send a Private Message to PJEagle Add PJEagle as a friend

Originally posted by PatrickA

My favourite team in recent years was the Championship team that had a front 3 of Bolassie, Murray and Zaha, and strong characters such as Jedi and Damo.
I couldn't wait until Saturdays and there was a period when we were freescoring with exciting wing play.
Murray got around 30 goals, more than we have scored all season.

I'm not advocating going down and don't want this to happen and recognise the financial implications.
I'm realistic though and Parish himself has ackowledged himself that we're likely to go down at some point.
What I don't enjoy is this sense of desperation that staying in the Premier League seems to engender.
Would people prefer the American model where there is no relegation so revenue streams are secured?
I want us to play well, be entertained and hopefully win.
The ceiling is getting higher and higher in the Premier League and we will find it increasingly difficult to compete without significant investment.
This is where I may differ from many fans as I don't want to be another Newcastle, Man City etc with how they are funded.
For all his faults, Parish is a genuine Palace fan who has the club's interests at heart.

Totally agree about the front three of Murray, Zaha and Bolasie . My favourite memory ever is scoring against Liverpool though I think it was Gayle who put the ball in the net? It's so vital to have a potent striker, and the best one ever was Murray, in my view. In the meantime we've got to play the strikers we've got, and surely Edouard is better than Mattetta?

 

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View palace chick's Profile palace chick Flag South Croydon 13 Mar 23 11.14am Send a Private Message to palace chick Add palace chick as a friend

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

Plus points of relegation are it'll be easy to get tickets to most games, we'll probably win more and should score more. However, my memories of our last stint in the Championship were playing worse football than we do right now with worse players against weaker opposition with half-empty stands in the winter. From memory, we haven't played great football in the second tier probably since the season we won it with the likes of Armstrong, Southgate et all.

I think we need to be careful in our thinking here. We would lose a lot of quality players leaving us with a squad that includes a number of players out on loan at clubs below championship level. Will they be good enough to even keep us in the championship, let alone go up again. And what about those players out of contract at the end of the season. Do we keep them on lower salaries and would they want to stay. Do we keep with PV and will he want to stay? We might bring some money in selling our better players but will we be able to use it on new players or just to keep the club afloat in a lower league. I worry about our future if and when we get relegated :-(

 

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View Uphill's Profile Uphill Flag Bedford 13 Mar 23 11.17am Send a Private Message to Uphill Add Uphill as a friend

Damning article in the Times today.

Says what we all know but the Manager apparently doesn't.

[Link]

 

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View eaglesdare's Profile eaglesdare Flag 13 Mar 23 11.25am Send a Private Message to eaglesdare Add eaglesdare as a friend

Chatting to a derby fan this weekend. I mentioned a lot of palace fans are being delusional saying they would prefer going back to the championship.

He agreed and was saying once you go down you might never come back up and could end up down in league 1 quickly.

I am sure we can muster 3 wins and at least another draw till the end of the season.

A surpise win against brighton this week would calm everyone down on here while they have an eye on their FA cup run

 

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View palace chick's Profile palace chick Flag South Croydon 13 Mar 23 12.08pm Send a Private Message to palace chick Add palace chick as a friend

Originally posted by palace chick

I think we need to be careful in our thinking here. We would lose a lot of quality players leaving us with a squad that includes a number of players out on loan at clubs below championship level. Will they be good enough to even keep us in the championship, let alone go up again. And what about those players out of contract at the end of the season. Do we keep them on lower salaries and would they want to stay. Do we keep with PV and will he want to stay? We might bring some money in selling our better players but will we be able to use it on new players or just to keep the club afloat in a lower league. I worry about our future if and when we get relegated :-(

Forgot to add. Iím having nightmares that we get relegated, Millwall get promoted and Brighton win the FA Cup - Help!

 

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View slubglurge's Profile slubglurge Flag welling 13 Mar 23 12.20pm Send a Private Message to slubglurge Add slubglurge as a friend

We are in deep doodoo. Although we are fairly sound defensively it is only taking one goal to beat us. The team is carrying too many passengers and most of our rivals look to have more in their lockers than we do. PV has no idea whatsoever to improve our attacking play. Wilf is probably playing CF because that's where he wants to play but it just doesn't work. Not a good time to sack a manager but he doesn't have a clue how to get a tune out of this team.

 

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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 13 Mar 23 12.24pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by slubglurge

We are in deep doodoo. Although we are fairly sound defensively it is only taking one goal to beat us. The team is carrying too many passengers and most of our rivals look to have more in their lockers than we do. PV has no idea whatsoever to improve our attacking play. Wilf is probably playing CF because that's where he wants to play but it just doesn't work. Not a good time to sack a manager but he doesn't have a clue how to get a tune out of this team.

I tend to agree, and I had suspicions about Wilf myself. I remember him wanting to be centre forward a few times. There's no tune at the moment - not even the Last Post.

 


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