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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 07 Feb 23 4.28pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

or have they lost her by starting her with an unmanageable workload which made her so stressed she had to seek medical help?

TBF she did not say this and she knew when she started she would be busy but possibly. However, her NHS GP had advised her to go back 3 days a week, which does not sound unreasonable. However this was not deemed acceptable and therefore the NHS has lost a good worker. If they won’t take a GP’s advice and possibly made an unlawful decision, you can’t blame that on anyone other than the management
, surely?

 

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View Glazier#1's Profile Glazier#1 Flag 07 Feb 23 8.30pm Send a Private Message to Glazier#1 Add Glazier#1 as a friend

Originally posted by YT


Just out of interest, what has the government (and I assume you mean the current government) done wrong, and what would you have done differently if you had been in charge?

More money (compare The last Labour government's year-on-year investment to that of the Tories)

A drive to bring back many of the nurses and doctors that left after Brexit. (that's how 'oven ready' it was). Before Brexit, I would have prepared us for the consequences by, perhaps, arranging for a 'quota' of 'guest-workers to service the NHS rather than leave a gaping hole.

A drive to bring back the foreign workers that worked in social care/care homes before Brexit (that's how 'oven ready' it was). At least the care homes would have enough staff to take the elderly as they are fit to leave hospital, freeing beds for others, freeing ambulances to get on with emergency calls instead of being parked in A&E waiting bays. Before Brexit, to repeat, I would have prepared us for the consequences by, perhaps, arranging for a 'quota' of 'guest-workers to service the NHS rather than leave a gaping hole. this aspect was completely overlooked and unplanned for by the Eton Mess and his cronies.

A massive drive to encourage young people to join the medical and auxiliary staff. To do this, their wages and workload will have to be different to what they are now.

A massive shift away from management (efficiency, my arse) to clinicians.

Before anyone bleats about how we'll afford it, it's about time the multi-nationals all paid a proper rate of tax for making profits from British people, for a start. Stop the loopholes that allow them to exploit 'tax avoidance'. For a start.

Here's me, I'm only a civilian. It's up to the politicians to sort out ways and means.

During the last Con party conference, Sajid Javid gave a speech about no such thing as society, only the individual and the family (Thatcher quote, all you Maggie -lovers will rejoice in) after which he added (almost as a sneaky aside) that we are going to have to take responsibility for our own health: a shot across the bows, a clear indicator of what the neo-liberal mindset of the Conservatives really want: private healthcare for all and getting rid of the NHS. (Their American chums, are gnashing their teeth, salivating, on the sidelines, waiting to exploit the hefty windfall in contracts and $.)

Privatisation.

Come on you lot: come clean. How many of you on here agree with that sentiment?

Edited by Glazier#1 (07 Feb 2023 8.42pm)

 

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 07 Feb 23 9.12pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Glazier#1

More money (compare The last Labour government's year-on-year investment to that of the Tories)

A drive to bring back many of the nurses and doctors that left after Brexit. (that's how 'oven ready' it was). Before Brexit, I would have prepared us for the consequences by, perhaps, arranging for a 'quota' of 'guest-workers to service the NHS rather than leave a gaping hole.

A drive to bring back the foreign workers that worked in social care/care homes before Brexit (that's how 'oven ready' it was). At least the care homes would have enough staff to take the elderly as they are fit to leave hospital, freeing beds for others, freeing ambulances to get on with emergency calls instead of being parked in A&E waiting bays. Before Brexit, to repeat, I would have prepared us for the consequences by, perhaps, arranging for a 'quota' of 'guest-workers to service the NHS rather than leave a gaping hole. this aspect was completely overlooked and unplanned for by the Eton Mess and his cronies.

A massive drive to encourage young people to join the medical and auxiliary staff. To do this, their wages and workload will have to be different to what they are now.

A massive shift away from management (efficiency, my arse) to clinicians.

Before anyone bleats about how we'll afford it, it's about time the multi-nationals all paid a proper rate of tax for making profits from British people, for a start. Stop the loopholes that allow them to exploit 'tax avoidance'. For a start.

Here's me, I'm only a civilian. It's up to the politicians to sort out ways and means.

During the last Con party conference, Sajid Javid gave a speech about no such thing as society, only the individual and the family (Thatcher quote, all you Maggie -lovers will rejoice in) after which he added (almost as a sneaky aside) that we are going to have to take responsibility for our own health: a shot across the bows, a clear indicator of what the neo-liberal mindset of the Conservatives really want: private healthcare for all and getting rid of the NHS. (Their American chums, are gnashing their teeth, salivating, on the sidelines, waiting to exploit the hefty windfall in contracts and $.)

Privatisation.

Come on you lot: come clean. How many of you on here agree with that sentiment?

Edited by Glazier#1 (07 Feb 2023 8.42pm)

As a matter of interest do you know how many doctors, nurses and care workers left because of Brexit? I would be interested to see the figures

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 07 Feb 23 11.27pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Glazier#1

The thing is, ME, that people might say what you have just written but surely the end responsibility must be the government: what are you supposed to do if you keep telling them about the state of the service and they keep ignoring you for years?

The government's actions have ensured that we have blocked beds, amblances caught waiting outside A&E and people dying as a result.

Surely they need to be held to account as the prime instigators of the crisis?

Don't shoot the messenger.

Edited by Glazier#1 (07 Feb 2023 2.31pm)

Hmg employ people to run their services. Now that state workers are untouchable how do they make the changes and employ better leaders. You only have to wonder if the recent bullying claims about ministers is more about workers being crap and told so than actual bullying.

 

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 08 Feb 23 7.52am Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

Hmg employ people to run their services. Now that state workers are untouchable how do they make the changes and employ better leaders. You only have to wonder if the recent bullying claims about ministers is more about workers being crap and told so than actual bullying.

I suspect it could well have been ministers telling the senior management they are crap.
As I have said before, in my experience, many senior managers switch from department to department, to enhance their own careers, making changes when they have very little knowledge of how each department operates and have usually left before the fallout hits the fan!

 

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View YT's Profile YT Flag Oxford 08 Feb 23 8.51am Send a Private Message to YT Add YT as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

Hmg employ people to run their services. Now that state workers are untouchable how do they make the changes and employ better leaders. You only have to wonder if the recent bullying claims about ministers is more about workers being crap and told so than actual bullying.

The bullying claim is just a political weapon. If people think they've been bullied because a minister has shouted at them a bit, they clearly haven't lived in the real world that I've inhabited. They wouldn't have lasted 5 minutes with some of the bosses I've had to endure

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 11 Feb 23 10.27am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

This thread seems to have wandered off the original familiar topic of the right blaming everything they don't like onto a hypothetical "left" influence, in this case attempts to tackle obesity, onto the NHS and now bullying in government.

Having just returned from a holiday in the Canaries, I can assure you that anyone who doesn't believe we have an obesity crisis is in denial. The comparison between the British holidaymakers and those from the rest of Europe, and the locals who served them all, is stark. I noticed exactly the same last year when I was in Spain, France and Italy.

On average, we look overweight and less fit, than our neighbours. They also appear more polite, more tolerant, better dressed and better educated than us. That applies at all levels of society. They appear to have more money and look generally happier and healthier.

This is a complete reversal to what I remember when I first started to visit 60 or more years ago.

You cannot blame the left for this as the rest of Europe is more socially democratic than us.

So instead of looking for mythical scapegoats I suggest those who complain take a long hard look at themselves, and their attitudes. The problems originate there!

If I thought Brexit was stupid in 2016 I am even more convinced today and seeing how other people in Europe are living only tends to confirm that.

 

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View Pembroke's Profile Pembroke Flag Bristol 11 Feb 23 10.59am Send a Private Message to Pembroke Add Pembroke as a friend

Originally posted by Glazier#1

More money (compare The last Labour government's year-on-year investment to that of the Tories)

]A drive to bring back many of the nurses and doctors that left after Brexit. (that's how 'oven ready' it was). Before Brexit, I would have prepared us for the consequences by, perhaps, arranging for a 'quota' of 'guest-workers to service the NHS rather than leave a gaping hole.

A drive to bring back the foreign workers that worked in social care/care homes before Brexit (that's how 'oven ready' it was). At least the care homes would have enough staff to take the elderly as they are fit to leave hospital, freeing beds for others, freeing ambulances to get on with emergency calls instead of being parked in A&E waiting bays. Before Brexit, to repeat, I would have prepared us for the consequences by, perhaps, arranging for a 'quota' of 'guest-workers to service the NHS rather than leave a gaping hole. this aspect was completely overlooked and unplanned for by the Eton Mess and his cronies.

A massive drive to encourage young people to join the medical and auxiliary staff. To do this, their wages and workload will have to be different to what they are now.

A massive shift away from management (efficiency, my arse) to clinicians.

Before anyone bleats about how we'll afford it, it's about time the multi-nationals all paid a proper rate of tax for making profits from British people, for a start. Stop the loopholes that allow them to exploit 'tax avoidance'. For a start.

Here's me, I'm only a civilian. It's up to the politicians to sort out ways and means.

During the last Con party conference, Sajid Javid gave a speech about no such thing as society, only the individual and the family (Thatcher quote, all you Maggie -lovers will rejoice in) after which he added (almost as a sneaky aside) that we are going to have to take responsibility for our own health: a shot across the bows, a clear indicator of what the neo-liberal mindset of the Conservatives really want: private healthcare for all and getting rid of the NHS. (Their American chums, are gnashing their teeth, salivating, on the sidelines, waiting to exploit the hefty windfall in contracts and $.)

Privatisation.

Come on you lot: come clean. How many of you on here agree with that sentiment?

Edited by Glazier#1 (07 Feb 2023 8.42pm)

The biggest drain in recent years to staff leaving the care sector was due to not having covid vaccination. Labour backed clap and sack. Labour took a position opposed to unions like Unite. Up, to 20,000 working class care staff left the industry pushing staffing shortages up to around 120,000.

Remove staff losses due to covid and staff shortages in the care sector are? There has also been staffing shortages, we lurch historically from staff shortage crisis to staff shortage crisis as industry whoever is in power.

Care staff prior to brexit were poorly paid. We are still poorly paid.Using foreign labour keeps our wages down - Increasing supply of cheap labour keeps wages down - Iron law of economics.

Labour as of yet have made ZERO committment to raising my wages in the care sector that remain just above minimum wage. The crse sector is overwhelmingly working class. Labour as of yet have made ZERO committment to raising the wages of working class people in the care sector.

Services struggle to recruit staff because of wages Labour support. Services struggle to maintain staffing levels because they pay staff 9/10 quid an hour. Labours minimum wage proposal is pennies higher than the Tories. Labour councils purchase services and peg wages of working class care staff to the minmum wage to drive costs low as possible.

The sentiment here?

 

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 11 Feb 23 11.23am Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

This thread seems to have wandered off the original familiar topic of the right blaming everything they don't like onto a hypothetical "left" influence, in this case attempts to tackle obesity, onto the NHS and now bullying in government.

Having just returned from a holiday in the Canaries, I can assure you that anyone who doesn't believe we have an obesity crisis is in denial. The comparison between the British holidaymakers and those from the rest of Europe, and the locals who served them all, is stark. I noticed exactly the same last year when I was in Spain, France and Italy.

On average, we look overweight and less fit, than our neighbours. They also appear more polite, more tolerant, better dressed and better educated than us. That applies at all levels of society. They appear to have more money and look generally happier and healthier.

This is a complete reversal to what I remember when I first started to visit 60 or more years ago.

You cannot blame the left for this as the rest of Europe is more socially democratic than us.

So instead of looking for mythical scapegoats I suggest those who complain take a long hard look at themselves, and their attitudes. The problems originate there!

If I thought Brexit was stupid in 2016 I am even more convinced today and seeing how other people in Europe are living only tends to confirm that.

So are you blaming obesity, poor education, fitness levels and politeness on Brexit?

 

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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 11 Feb 23 11.43am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Having just returned from a holiday in the Canaries, I can assure you that anyone who doesn't believe we have an obesity crisis is in denial. The comparison between the British holidaymakers and those from the rest of Europe, and the locals who served them all, is stark.

I must admit that I don't take much notice of this forum any more but surely no-one has said that we don't have an obesity crisis as it's obvious to anyone and everyone that we do.

The following is an extract from a local paper that was published a few years ago:-

The first thing you notice, arriving by train into Tamworth’s unedifying concrete railway station, is the smell of burgers sizzling on the open griddle of a mobile snack bar five steps outside the main entrance door. Top of the specials’ list is the ‘mad hatter’ — a burger with a fried egg on top. For another 30p, they’ll slap a slice of cheese on it for you as well.

Welcome to the fat capital of Britain: one in three adults in Tamworth, Staffordshire, is now officially classed as obese and most of the children aren’t far behind.

 

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View Far away fan's Profile Far away fan Flag On the border of jungle 11 Feb 23 11.53am Send a Private Message to Far away fan Add Far away fan as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I live in Asia, 20 years ago everyone slim, now young people fatties, it is not just UK its in Asian countries too, telephones are the problem young people playing on phones here, never exercise playing football etc,
This thread seems to have wandered off the original familiar topic of the right blaming everything they don't like onto a hypothetical "left" influence, in this case attempts to tackle obesity, onto the NHS and now bullying in government.

Having just returned from a holiday in the Canaries, I can assure you that anyone who doesn't believe we have an obesity crisis is in denial. The comparison between the British holidaymakers and those from the rest of Europe, and the locals who served them all, is stark. I noticed exactly the same last year when I was in Spain, France and Italy.

On average, we look overweight and less fit, than our neighbours. They also appear more polite, more tolerant, better dressed and better educated than us. That applies at all levels of society. They appear to have more money and look generally happier and healthier.

This is a complete reversal to what I remember when I first started to visit 60 or more years ago.

You cannot blame the left for this as the rest of Europe is more socially democratic than us.

So instead of looking for mythical scapegoats I suggest those who complain take a long hard look at themselves, and their attitudes. The problems originate there!

If I thought Brexit was stupid in 2016 I am even more convinced today and seeing how other people in Europe are living only tends to confirm that.

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 11 Feb 23 12.14pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

I suspect it could well have been ministers telling the senior management they are crap.
As I have said before, in my experience, many senior managers switch from department to department, to enhance their own careers, making changes when they have very little knowledge of how each department operates and have usually left before the fallout hits the fan!

I saw an article today that the investigation into Partygate is stalling as the "victims" have been told they cannot remain anonymous to BoJo. This is similar to allegations against Dominic Raab.

I don't think it necessary that the public know who these complainers are but the accused is certainly entitled to and yet the tone of these articles appears to suggest otherwise.

Put up or shut up.

 


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