You are here: Home > Message Board > Palace Talk > Shaun Derry
December 7 2024 2.18am

This page is no longer updated, and is the old forum. For new topics visit the New HOL forum.

Shaun Derry

Previous Topic | Next Topic


Page 6 of 12 < 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 >

  

PJEagle Flag London 04 Feb 23 10.01am Send a Private Message to PJEagle Add PJEagle as a friend

Originally posted by joe_cpfc

Ive just read the Athletic article and it seems PV sacked him. He didn't like the way he dealt with the players after the Everton smashing and apparently thats not the only time.
Seems Derry was too over the top for Pat and his princesses
He wont be replaced either.

The hairdryer treatment doesn't work anymore for modern players. I believe he wanted Sean as coach because he knew the players and club so well. Now that PV has been at the club a year himself he doesn't need him for that anymore? Perhaps can take a more active coaching role himself now?

 

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
PJEagle Flag London 04 Feb 23 10.02am Send a Private Message to PJEagle Add PJEagle as a friend

Originally posted by joe_cpfc

Ive just read the Athletic article and it seems PV sacked him. He didn't like the way he dealt with the players after the Everton smashing and apparently thats not the only time.
Seems Derry was too over the top for Pat and his princesses
He wont be replaced either.

The hairdryer treatment doesn't work anymore for modern players. I believe he wanted Sean as coach because he knew the players and club so well. Now that PV has been at the club a year himself he doesn't need him for that anymore? Perhaps can take a more active coaching role himself now?

 

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
southnorwoodhill Flag 04 Feb 23 10.07am Send a Private Message to southnorwoodhill Add southnorwoodhill as a friend

Originally posted by joe_cpfc

Ive just read the Athletic article and it seems PV sacked him. He didn't like the way he dealt with the players after the Everton smashing and apparently thats not the only time.
Seems Derry was too over the top for Pat and his princesses
He wont be replaced either.

So PV has the authority over the board to sack someone? Sounds dubious. More likely he had words with Derry and then they took it to the board and when the irreconcilable differences couldn't be sorted out Derry walked / had to go.

 

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
PatrickA Flag London 04 Feb 23 10.20am Send a Private Message to PatrickA Add PatrickA as a friend

The Mail has now picked up on this story.
I’m surprised the club didn’t manage to control the story with a simple statement about ‘mutual consent’ or Derry ‘moving on to other opportunities.’
The story now has the potential to escalate.

 

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 04 Feb 23 10.21am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

I am not suggesting that CPFC provide the exact reason for Derry's departure but to not even mention that he had departed, followed by a recognition of his services and 'Best Wishes' for the future, is disappointing.

Derry ploughed his furrow for 6 years over 2 spells, he made 226 appearances and was give the captain's armband.He then served the club as a coach and more recently as 1st team coach.
Vieira has recognised Derry as being an important figure at the club, even mentioning that he has been good to the club yet NO news at all on the CPFC website.

 

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
Palacesince64 Flag Edinburgh 04 Feb 23 10.43am Send a Private Message to Palacesince64 Add Palacesince64 as a friend

Clearly PV was unhappy to find him shouting at players after the Everton game 4 months ago. He must have spoken to him about it back then. The fact he’s gone now suggests he didn’t listen, can’t help himself, or disagreed with Vierra’s more measured style and told him so.

I’m sure I read somewhere that PV for the first time in his managerial career tore into his players at Nice following a poor performance after which the lost 5 on the bounce and he got sacked. He’s the boss and his team need to follow his lead or move on.

 

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 04 Feb 23 10.56am Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

I think every Palace fan had fondness for Derry - another one being McCarthy.
Maybe quite a difficult situation for Vieira. In hindsight the youngsters did well with Derry - not sure he fitted in with the current first team, no tough men really (unfortunately in my opinion). But he was probably a good role model for youngsters.

 


Red and Blue Army!

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 04 Feb 23 11.00am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Palacesince64

Clearly PV was unhappy to find him shouting at players after the Everton game 4 months ago. He must have spoken to him about it back then. The fact he’s gone now suggests he didn’t listen, can’t help himself, or disagreed with Vierra’s more measured style and told him so.

I’m sure I read somewhere that PV for the first time in his managerial career tore into his players at Nice following a poor performance after which the lost 5 on the bounce and he got sacked. He’s the boss and his team need to follow his lead or move on.

I cannot confirm or deny this, however what is FACT is that we won 2 successive games after the Everton debacle.

Edited by Willo (04 Feb 2023 11.02am)

 

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
Eaglecoops Flag CR3 04 Feb 23 11.01am Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

Originally posted by sydtheeagle

Not really. The Ferguson approach worked for some players and not for others, but he was smart and powerful enough to build a squad of players who responded to his hair-dryer method. In contrast, Wenger did exactly the same thing and was successful with the opposite method - not "soft" but calm and measured. There isn't one, fixed "best" management style; different players are motivated by different bosses and good managers find the right players for their approach. Vieira, unsurprisingly given that his mentors are Wenger and Guardiola, is not a disciple of throwing things around the dressing room. That hardly makes him "soft". The caveman-only era is, thankfully, over.

An awful lot of contradictions in that paragraph. The hard approach works but it doesn’t, different players react to different approaches. You are missing the whole point that Ferguson was so good because he used to know when to be hard nosed and when to put an arm around someone. Long live the cave man as you like to call it because some of these players who cause dressing room unrest need to be properly managed.

Do you think Ronaldo would have been able to cause so much disruption in a Ferguson dressing room? Look at Dych. He’s gone straight into his new job and banned snoods and hats from training and tried to install some discipline and urgency to training sessions.

I stick by my opinion that there are too many soft managers around who get easily influenced by senior players.

 

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 04 Feb 23 11.02am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Willo
.

Edited by Willo (04 Feb 2023 11.02am)

 

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
rikz Flag Croydon 04 Feb 23 11.03am Send a Private Message to rikz Add rikz as a friend

I agree with viera, he's the manager, they're his staff, you do as you're told or go. In any other job in the world that would be the same case. Forget all this derry is palace through and through,he's a professional who played for us because he was paid to, the same as coaching, yeah im sure he has an affinity to us but if he got a better deal elsewhere, im sure he would take it.

 

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
Stirlingsays Flag 04 Feb 23 11.04am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

PV may be the manager but as soon as a better opportunity comes by he'll be off....Derry's paid his dues at the club through some of its hardest times.

Team Derry on this one......The club owned him more sensitivity and respect on his departure than this.

Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Feb 2023 11.06am)

 


'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply

  

Page 6 of 12 < 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 >

Previous Topic | Next Topic

You are here: Home > Message Board > Palace Talk > Shaun Derry