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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 14 Feb 23 11.38am Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by CrazyBadger

so what your Saying is as the intention of the passer is to pass to the offside player, it should be ruled Offside, regardless of the 'active' Status of the receiving player?

Essentially yes.

I don't think defenders should be accountable for calling an offside (within reason). In a perfect world the linesman's flag would go up immediately and everybody would know that it is an offside. Plus, that would be given as a FK long before the defender would even touch the ball would it not?

 


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View YT's Profile YT Flag Oxford 14 Feb 23 11.41am Send a Private Message to YT Add YT as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

Law 11 :

A player in an offside position receiving the ball from an opponent who deliberately plays the ball, including by deliberate handball, is not considered to have gained an advantage, unless it was a deliberate save by any opponent.

Precisely. It's nonsense in the situation I described.

 


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View YT's Profile YT Flag Oxford 14 Feb 23 11.45am Send a Private Message to YT Add YT as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

Essentially yes.

I don't think defenders should be accountable for calling an offside (within reason). In a perfect world the linesman's flag would go up immediately and everybody would know that it is an offside. Plus, that would be given as a FK long before the defender would even touch the ball would it not?

I agree with you entirely, however the flag going up or not going up is irrelevant ie in a slightly less perfect world VAR should rule it offside in any event.

 


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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 14 Feb 23 11.46am Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by YT

I agree with you entirely, however the flag going up or not going up is irrelevant ie in a slightly less perfect world VAR should rule it offside in any event.

Thank you YT.

 


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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 14 Feb 23 12.48pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

Essentially yes.

I don't think defenders should be accountable for calling an offside (within reason). In a perfect world the linesman's flag would go up immediately and everybody would know that it is an offside. Plus, that would be given as a FK long before the defender would even touch the ball would it not?

Currently of course as Law 11 stands a player is not offside for merely being in an offside position.
If one wants a situation whereby a player to be deemed offside irrespective of where he is on the field of play that is a different debate.

Edited by Willo (14 Feb 2023 12.49pm)

 

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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 14 Feb 23 12.54pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

Currently of course as Law 11 stands a player is not offside for merely being in an offside position.
If one wants a situation whereby a player to be deemed offside irrespective of where he is on the field of play that is a different debate.

Edited by Willo (14 Feb 2023 12.49pm)

That doesn't make any sense whatsoever unless I am missing something.

 


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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 14 Feb 23 12.56pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

Currently of course as Law 11 stands a player is not offside for merely being in an offside position.
If one wants a situation whereby a player to be deemed offside irrespective of where he is on the field of play that is a different debate.

Edited by Willo (14 Feb 2023 12.49pm)

It's a debate worth having. It would prevent situations like that with Rashford the other week.

 

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Automated (or semi-automated as they like to call it) offsides will be in for next season. This will massively reduce the chance of time taken and errors made. Things like the Rashford goal (interfering or not?) will still be left to officials to make the final decision though, so there will still be room to bleat.

People carp on about VAR and 'can't we go back to refs making the decisions' but ultimately it was brought in to do one job, and that was to significantly reduce the amount of serious mistakes in the game. It's done that. If you want to bin it off you're saying I want there to be more critical mistakes made in games. I want more teams to lose out to goals that should/should not have stood, players sent off when they shouldn't have been etc. All for the sake of some romantic ideal. Madness.

If there was only a marginal difference in errors I'd reconsider my opinion but it's significant, in some cases from 82% > 95%, which at elite level is massive.

Automate offsides and the main issue of time taken to make decisions also reduces drastically... it will get there.

What you can't do is completely eliminate human error, but you can continue to reduce the chance of it happening. The system will become better and better over time.

 


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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 14 Feb 23 1.18pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Automated (or semi-automated as they like to call it) offsides will be in for next season. This will massively reduce the chance of time taken and errors made. Things like the Rashford goal (interfering or not?) will still be left to officials to make the final decision though, so there will still be room to bleat.

People carp on about VAR and 'can't we go back to refs making the decisions' but ultimately it was brought in to do one job, and that was to significantly reduce the amount of serious mistakes in the game. It's done that. If you want to bin it off you're saying I want there to be more critical mistakes made in games. I want more teams to lose out to goals that should/should not have stood, players sent off when they shouldn't have been etc. All for the sake of some romantic ideal. Madness.

If there was only a marginal difference in errors I'd reconsider my opinion but it's significant, in some cases from 82% > 95%, which at elite level is massive.

Automate offsides and the main issue of time taken to make decisions also reduces drastically... it will get there.

What you can't do is completely eliminate human error, but you can continue to reduce the chance of it happening. The system will become better and better over time.

In the Rashford incident, the Law, as it stands, was correctly applied.

I totally agree that in football as in life one simply cannot eliminate human errors, perfection is not in the human gift.

 

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View SW19 CPFC's Profile SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 14 Feb 23 1.25pm Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

In the Rashford incident, the Law, as it stands, was correctly applied.

I totally agree that in football as in life one simply cannot eliminate human errors, perfection is not in the human gift.

That's up for debate, and rightly so. That incident came down to someones interpretation of the law... there's certainly a case to say that shadowing the ball is affecting the decision making and therefore behaviour of the defenders around you, therefore interfering and therefore offside.

I could be wrong but I don't think the law states a player has to have touched the ball to be interfering eg. blocking a keepers line of sight is classed as interfering. It comes down to the application of the law and who is applying it and is more subjective than other more black and white laws

Essentially, both decisions could potentially be correct in that scenario.

 


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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 14 Feb 23 1.26pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Automated (or semi-automated as they like to call it) offsides will be in for next season. This will massively reduce the chance of time taken and errors made. Things like the Rashford goal (interfering or not?) will still be left to officials to make the final decision though, so there will still be room to bleat.

People carp on about VAR and 'can't we go back to refs making the decisions' but ultimately it was brought in to do one job, and that was to significantly reduce the amount of serious mistakes in the game. It's done that. If you want to bin it off you're saying I want there to be more critical mistakes made in games. I want more teams to lose out to goals that should/should not have stood, players sent off when they shouldn't have been etc. All for the sake of some romantic ideal. Madness.

If there was only a marginal difference in errors I'd reconsider my opinion but it's significant, in some cases from 82% > 95%, which at elite level is massive.

Automate offsides and the main issue of time taken to make decisions also reduces drastically... it will get there.

What you can't do is completely eliminate human error, but you can continue to reduce the chance of it happening. The system will become better and better over time.

Why not do away with the players and have all matches on PlayStation? Cheaper, more comfortable and no travel involved.

 

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View SW19 CPFC's Profile SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 14 Feb 23 1.29pm Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Why not do away with the players and have all matches on PlayStation? Cheaper, more comfortable and no travel involved.

haha.

Such an overreaction

 


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