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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 20 Feb 23 9.27pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Educate me. Struggling to grasp the concept.

Personally, my retirement plans are predicated on the notion of taking myself off to an island in the Adriatic and seeing out my twilight years in a quiet little spot where everything I need and want is within a 15-minute gentle stroll.

So I grasp that part.

But this is my choice. And from what I can make out, the conflict appears to be around the notion/belief/fallacy, even though I struggle to grasp the details, that the Left are seeking to effectively impose this on people?

Genuinely interested in what is happening on this one because I cannot seem to get any straightforward answers, from either side..

 


"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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View Mr Palaceman's Profile Mr Palaceman Flag 21 Feb 23 1.30am Send a Private Message to Mr Palaceman Add Mr Palaceman as a friend


You surprise me Matov, as you seemed already convinced that it was a good idea in the other thread on 15 minute cities. Not sure why you started a new thread..

Matov Jan 23 7.40am

"I think it's great. We need far more extreme Net Zero measures. People need to wake up to what the policy actually means. And then react accordingly"..

 


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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 21 Feb 23 5.36am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Poking the bear maybe . Heís correct though, as to some degree the planet is being protected for what, our future generations ? That may well be the case but as you see with ULEZ the protection is going to affect only the poorest ( initially) as itís all about money. Then when the poor are eating each other the rich will inherit the earth. To do what, work their own fields and machinery. Good luck to them. As the lower rich will become the poor and on it goes until there is a lovely blue planet floating in the universe with no one on it. Great !
A dramatic descriptor but it has started !

 

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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 21 Feb 23 7.36am Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by Mr Palaceman


You surprise me Matov, as you seemed already convinced that it was a good idea in the other thread on 15 minute cities. Not sure why you started a new thread..

Matov Jan 23 7.40am

"I think it's great. We need far more extreme Net Zero measures. People need to wake up to what the policy actually means. And then react accordingly"..

A valid point. Well made. A 'challenging' couple of weeks on the personal front have left me a tad more frazzled than usual.

Perhaps, and asking for just a smidgen of the benefit of the doubt, I am just in a slightly more reflective place rather than my usual pugilistic self when it comes to all these (ludicrous really) political shenanigans?

BUt apologies, none the less.

 


"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 21 Feb 23 8.06am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

It's a nice idea and I would say it applies to me.

Within walking distance of my home:
Transport links 5 mins, supermarkets (plural) plus high street 5 mins, GP surgery 15 mins and central London by train 20 mins.

However the above makes Beckenham a very middle class area and so expensive to live here, not everybody can afford to live in an area like this. In fact the poor often live in areas which lack many of these services so have to use a car.

The outer parts of Bromley and many other outer boroughs are actually in the countryside e.g. buses 1 per hour, shops 15-30 min drive, hospital 30 min drive etc.

That is why Khan's ULEZ is such a a sledgehammer.

Edited by Badger11 (21 Feb 2023 8.07am)

 


One more point

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View Mr Palaceman's Profile Mr Palaceman Flag 21 Feb 23 10.39am Send a Private Message to Mr Palaceman Add Mr Palaceman as a friend

Originally posted by Matov

A valid point. Well made. A 'challenging' couple of weeks on the personal front have left me a tad more frazzled than usual.

Perhaps, and asking for just a smidgen of the benefit of the doubt, I am just in a slightly more reflective place rather than my usual pugilistic self when it comes to all these (ludicrous really) political shenanigans?

BUt apologies, none the less.

I can understand that... No apologies needed. A smidgen granted..

 


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View Mr Palaceman's Profile Mr Palaceman Flag 21 Feb 23 11.11am Send a Private Message to Mr Palaceman Add Mr Palaceman as a friend

In regards to the whole concept of a 15 minute city, on the surface this is a great idea. Everything within a short bike ride of your home to save the climate. Its the implimentation of the idea that is the problem.

The only way an idea like this will work is if you dramatically restrict the movement and ultimately the rights of people.

As I understand it, the schemes that are being proposed are more about keeping people in their district using fines and sanctions. You will be allowed to leave your area 100 times a year, for holidays family visits etc, anything over that results in a fine. It doesn't matter if you work 2 districts away, the advice is, drive around, which to me defeats the notion that this is about the enviroment.

Another issue is having different rules for different districts. Richer districts (Beckenham ) having one set of rules and poorer districts having another, with no doubt, restricted access to areas with better amenities, for those who can't afford it.

We have already had this idea in operation for centuries and govenments across the world have been pushing people out of villages and into cities for ages..

 


"You can lead a horse to water but a pencil must be lead"

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View Palace Old Geezer's Profile Palace Old Geezer Flag Midhurst 21 Feb 23 11.42am Send a Private Message to Palace Old Geezer Add Palace Old Geezer as a friend

A film that always made me shiver was Logan's Run. It was released in 1976, those of a certain age may remember it.

Set in 2274 in a 'utopian' city within an enclosed dome, where there is little or no work for humans to perform, and inhabitants are free to pursue all of the pleasures of life. The one catch: your life is limited to the age of thirty, then you are terminated.

To be honest all this ULEZ and 15 minute city nonsense sounds like life is beginning to follow art. The concept of being encouraged to keep within a close radius of home is alien to most and although, for various reasons I am not as mobile as I once was, it feels like the future is going to become a very dull and restricted place.

Bah Humbug!

 


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View eagleman13's Profile eagleman13 Flag On The Road To Hell & Alicante 21 Feb 23 12.16pm Send a Private Message to eagleman13 Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add eagleman13 as a friend

Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer

A film that always made me shiver was Logan's Run. It was released in 1976, those of a certain age may remember it.

Set in 2274 in a 'utopian' city within an enclosed dome, where there is little or no work for humans to perform, and inhabitants are free to pursue all of the pleasures of life. The one catch: your life is limited to the age of thirty, then you are terminated.

To be honest all this ULEZ and 15 minute city nonsense sounds like life is beginning to follow art. The concept of being encouraged to keep within a close radius of home is alien to most and although, for various reasons I am not as mobile as I once was, it feels like the future is going to become a very dull and restricted place.

Bah Humbug!

OMG . . . remember it well, i developed a 'thing' for Jenny Agutter because of this film. Great performance by Peter Ustinov & Micheal York. . . [Link]

 


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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 21 Feb 23 12.26pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by eagleman13

OMG . . . remember it well, i developed a 'thing' for Jenny Agutter because of this film. Great performance by Peter Ustinov & Micheal York. . . [Link]

My thing was already developed after seeing her in Walkabout.

What will this 15 minute idea mean for edge of town shopping centres? Nothing good I guess.

 

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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 21 Feb 23 12.39pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

My thing was already developed after seeing her in Walkabout.

What will this 15 minute idea mean for edge of town shopping centres? Nothing good I guess.

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Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 21 Feb 23 8.45pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

It's a nice idea and I would say it applies to me.

Within walking distance of my home:
Transport links 5 mins, supermarkets (plural) plus high street 5 mins, GP surgery 15 mins and central London by train 20 mins.

However the above makes Beckenham a very middle class area and so expensive to live here, not everybody can afford to live in an area like this. In fact the poor often live in areas which lack many of these services so have to use a car.

The outer parts of Bromley and many other outer boroughs are actually in the countryside e.g. buses 1 per hour, shops 15-30 min drive, hospital 30 min drive etc.

That is why Khan's ULEZ is such a a sledgehammer.

Edited by Badger11 (21 Feb 2023 8.07am)

I think it applies to me too. I live within 10 mins of Truro city centre, 4 major supermarkets and chain stores, a theatre, cinema and many restaurants. Yet I am also surrounded by lovely countryside and within 10 mins, in the other direction, of a beach and wonderful riverside walks.

Having a bus pass means I can use them for free, but they are really cheap here anyway. You can buy a day pass that covers the whole of Cornwall for £5. £20 for a week. We have at least 5 buses per hour to the city, more at peak hours.

 

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