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View mtp1958's Profile mtp1958 Flag Oswestry 16 Mar 23 11.41am Send a Private Message to mtp1958 Add mtp1958 as a friend

Originally posted by Elpis


Richards is bench warming because PV is not flexable enough in his formation to include 3 centre backs .

Hughes appears to be a sicknote and has to have a fortnight off after playing 90 minuites so PV only uses him as sub to keep him availiable (I made that up )

yes I thought the same thing could have used all 3 in the man city briiii arsenal games and go from there Guehi and Richards are quick so give abit of room for attacking wing backs .

look we seemed better than we have been , well short but better , Doucoure is playing like a old style midfielder sadly you cant do that now days , look easter is coming so maybe our strikers will rise from the dead and start scoring , with on paper easier matchs coming we can get a couple of wins before then please God COYP

 

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View Romford-Eagle's Profile Romford-Eagle Flag Romford 16 Mar 23 12.09pm Send a Private Message to Romford-Eagle Add Romford-Eagle as a friend

Why ain't he gone yet

 

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View PatrickA's Profile PatrickA Flag London 16 Mar 23 12.43pm Send a Private Message to PatrickA Add PatrickA as a friend

Sooner or later the board will have a decision to make if results continue in the same vein.
This could be after the Arsenal game , after which there is the international break, or after the subsequent Leicester game on April 1.
This assumes results donít improve .
The international break gives a fortnight to bed in a new manager assuming (and itís a big assumption) that we have a suitable manager lined up.
The board would be negligent not to act as ultimately itís a results business and the results have been woeful post World Cup.
Iíd be very surprised if work wasnít already going on behind the scenes to identify potential replacements.
Not what I particularly want as Viera seems a very likeable character, and I understand why people are making excuses ( not backed by the board, tough run of fixtures, winnable games coming up) , but that wonít count for anything if the poor run of results continue.

 

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View PatrickA's Profile PatrickA Flag London 16 Mar 23 12.56pm Send a Private Message to PatrickA Add PatrickA as a friend

I meant to add weíve had too many false dawns post Christmas.
Firstly we reassured ourselves weíd sort out the midfield problems when McArthur returned, then when Hughes had a couple of decent games, then when we brought in a couple during the window.
Sadly the lack of discipline of Doucoure, the continuing fitness struggles of Hughes and McArthur and Eze going missing means weíre as badly off as before.
We told ourselves that the return of Zaha would make us more potent.
Sadly this hasnít happened so far either.
We continue to be at or near the bottom for the metrics on goal scoring, efforts on goal, running and sprints.

Originally posted by PatrickA

Sooner or later the board will have a decision to make if results continue in the same vein.
This could be after the Arsenal game , after which there is the international break, or after the subsequent Leicester game on April 1.
This assumes results donít improve .
The international break gives a fortnight to bed in a new manager assuming (and itís a big assumption) that we have a suitable manager lined up.
The board would be negligent not to act as ultimately itís a results business and the results have been woeful post World Cup.
Iíd be very surprised if work wasnít already going on behind the scenes to identify potential replacements.
Not what I particularly want as Viera seems a very likeable character, and I understand why people are making excuses ( not backed by the board, tough run of fixtures, winnable games coming up) , but that wonít count for anything if the poor run of results continue.

 

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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 16 Mar 23 12.59pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

A lot of similar stuff to this on Twitter. Read into it what you will but I find it a bid odd only now it is a talking point:

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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View taylors lovechild's Profile taylors lovechild Flag 16 Mar 23 1.04pm Send a Private Message to taylors lovechild Add taylors lovechild as a friend

I see no point in replacing him after the international break as it'll just be disruptive, so if they are going to do it they need to do it before or immediately after the Arsenal game (if we lose of course). Personally I'd stick with him and I think the board will. The difficulties Southampton and Leeds had finding a manager will have acted as a warning, especially after our struggles to replace Roy, plus I'm not even sure they'd want (or be able) to cover the cost of replacing Patrick!

Vieira had a strong first season and has struggled this year after a reasonable start to the season. I think we need to be brave, take a deep breath, and see what comes, but I appreciate I am in a rapidly shrinking minority.

 

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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 16 Mar 23 1.29pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Just in case this is perceived as me gleefully revelling, stirring or getting over excited let me be clear I am not, just posting what I've seen/been pointed to on t'internet.

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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View A1969Eagle's Profile A1969Eagle Flag Redhill 16 Mar 23 1.31pm Send a Private Message to A1969Eagle Add A1969Eagle as a friend

Hes too Conservatives as a manager.
Hes not brave with tactics,
show little courage.
Where's the passion from the touchline
Rigid like Roy.
Like yesterday, poor 2nd half tactics from bench.
Why wont he try Andersen in the deep midfield to spray passes to pen up opportunities and bring back in Richard behind Andersen in back 4.
Crying out for change of direction on the field

 

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View Jacey's Profile Jacey Flag 16 Mar 23 1.50pm Send a Private Message to Jacey Add Jacey as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

Just in case this is perceived as me gleefully revelling, stirring or getting over excited let me be clear I am not, just posting what I've seen/been pointed to on t'internet.

The issue facing the Board is very simple,Vieira stays and we are relegated.
Change has to come after Sunday's inevitable defeat against Arsenal.

 

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View radicalsteve's Profile radicalsteve Flag ottawa 16 Mar 23 1.56pm Send a Private Message to radicalsteve Add radicalsteve as a friend

Somewhat of a crisis when the decision on the manager is now like going to the casino and trying to manage the odds! If they continue with PV, the odds are we will go down as I don't buy in to the notion that we will do better against teams in the dog fight (other than Southampton perhaps). If we wait to a poor outcome against Leicester, then the odds will have shortened considerably on relegation and a change of manager will be too hard and too late.

If we change now, the odds may also get worse, however, its game theory where the decision makers appear to be trapped in indecision like the "prisoners dilemma". The theory of strategic rationality says that the optimal course of action is to play the odds, which by definition requires a decision to change the equilibrium of the game. In other words, the status quo will more likely result in a worse outcome, because the odds cannot be changed.

 

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NE14T Flag 16 Mar 23 2.02pm

I just want to see a bit of passion from him. His forwards though have let him down massively. Mateta is all legs which often seem to have a mind of their own. He never scores with his head which for such a big man is strange but can probably be explained from his poor reading of the game and positional play. Edouard is not clinical enough, goes into hiding when the going gets tough and you donít expect him to score.

Dougie Freedman and Parish must take some responsibility for these poor signings.

We are becoming the laughing stock of the Premiership.

Edited by NE14T (16 Mar 2023 2.05pm)

Edited by NE14T (16 Mar 2023 2.06pm)

 


The beatings will stop when morale improves.

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View fish mitten's Profile fish mitten Flag Chelmsford 16 Mar 23 2.07pm Send a Private Message to fish mitten Add fish mitten as a friend

I think we sack him and we are equally likely to go down.

I'm not sure what manager we are going to get in, who is going to get much of a better tune out of the woefully inadequate squad we have. Not many wanted the job when we hired Vieira. I don't fancy Lampard, Gerrard, Marsch or Nathan Jones. And those that think Benitez, Bielsa or Tuchel or the likes will touch us are deluded. Hassentuttl may be the best bet, but I doubt he could turn around our fortunes with the players we have.

I hope SP is also asking himself some very serious questions about how he and the rest of the board have taken the risk and now is letting the manager take the blame for their ineffectiveness.


Originally posted by Jacey

The issue facing the Board is very simple,Vieira stays and we are relegated.
Change has to come after Sunday's inevitable defeat against Arsenal.

 

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