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When Harris & Blitzer became shareholders in Palace we had only been in the PL a couple of years so in many ways they were taking a bit of a gamble on how we would work out, previously we hadn't had much of a track record of being able to stay in the top tier, at least now (assuming that we don't get relegated this season) we have provided more stability it terms of our credentials at maintaining our position so there is more to hang your hat on now if fresh / new investment is to be attracted -

Where I have greater concern is that the fixture list has proved challenging this year & we do have a number of more winnable fixtures not so far around the corner but next year its going to be harder because most clubs will strengthen in the Summer & the top 6 has become the super 7 ( Man Utd are on the up, Liverpool & Chelsea wont have 2 poor seasons in a row, Newcastle will get better, etc) so the possibility of having longer losing streaks ( damage to team spirit / difficulties attracting new players / manager vulnerability etc) if the fixture list in unkind is very possible.

Originally posted by Swindy

'It wouldn’t surprise me if some of the investors are getting twitchy already, although the boardroom does not give the impression of being that harmonious if it does come to have to choose a replacement'

If they were 'investors' they would have done something about the team in January to make the possibility of going down next to none.
As is becoming more and more obvious there are boardroom divisions, cheers Steve, the man who got us webbed up with two American 'investors' who don't and who is clearly not interested/very good at growing the business by attracting new investment or better selling up to who someone who is capable of taking the club on rather than backwards.

 

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'winnable games' ??

We don't score or even shoot under Viera !!!

 

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Originally posted by Qwijibo

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Nice.

I had read some of these articles about his previous jobs recently - they make interesting, and equally worrying and familiar, reading

 


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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 12 Mar 23 11.55am Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Seems to be two arguments for keeping Vieira in: the board are more to blame and we have ‘winnable’ fixtures coming up.

On the first point I totally agree however changing the manager when things are this awful is a lot easier than changing the board. It is football at the end of the day and we are in a relegation fight. Board backing or not we need to be winning, or at least show some evidence of being capable of winning football games, and for months now we have not.

On the second I am struggling to relax with the thought that the games we have played are a complete anomaly and all of a sudden we’ll start beating everybody else therefore come the end of season everything will be fine. You can’t just write of x proportion of games and shrink our season down to the playing of the bottom 8. It’s the PL every game has its own challenges.

PV does not seem to have any solutions to the problems we are seeing. We’re not even laying a glove on teams. He isn’t showing any signs of fight or aggression whatsoever and therefore the team are not either. We’re not getting near the opposition goal, constantly rotating players, bizarre starting XIs and most importantly losing games of football. Not a ‘wartime’ manager. If we’d of lost, I don’t know, 1-4 yesterday but gave it a real go and just succumbed to city’s trillionaire bought quality I’d of seen that more positively. To bring a manager in to revolutionise the Royball existence only to play an inferior version of it seems insane.

It’s a grim grim time to be a palace fan. There’s literally nothing to cheer about. I don’t see the point in saying ‘tough run’ and ‘we need to/ should have spent £500mil on players’. True or not I want to go each weekend with some belief and for us to stay in the PL, I’m not and I can’t see where the argument for PV being the man is coming from? It almost seems dogmatic and delusional to keep holding a candle to a manager who is breaking records with our terrible performances. The players also look to have lost all belief too and that for me is most damning as our fate lies in their hands.

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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Excellent post.

 

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Assuming we don't get more than a point out of the next two, which is incredibly likely given we haven't beaten any of the top 10 in our 16 games against them so far this season, the Leicester game feels like the pivotal one.

If we lose to Leicester, we would then have two away games against the current bottom 2 - Leeds away is the kind of atmosphere we'd absolutely fold in. We have won away ONCE this season. By the time he's back at Selhurst on the 22nd we could be the favourites to drop.

Lose to Leicester, especially with our recent pathetic lack of intent, I think the crowd vocally turns. If the club don't already have someone lined up as a plan B then we are even more mismanaged than I thought.

 


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You lot must be mad wanting PV out. Sure its been a tough run of games this year but how many games have we been hammered (none) look at the last time we played a team below us Bournemouth away, NYE played them off the park and should of won by more than 2 0.Yesterday we played a free scoring team who i believe will win the league and apart from the first 10 minutes we contained them and apart from a moment of madness from Olise (who i thought was our best player) we would have picked up a draw.I stayed after the match and the way Pep and the team celebrated in front of their fans you would have thought they had won the Champions League, they knew how tough yesterday was If you are looking for people to dig out it has to be the board for not investing in 1 if not 2 strikers. As long as i have a hole in my rectum Eduard and Matetta will not be good enough. After the international break i believe we will kick on , and at the end of the season the board have to invest in the front line and move the existing pair on

 

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Originally posted by Wright stuff

I am torn by the fact Vieira was not backed in either transfer windows & therefore the squad has always been weak & the fact he seems clueless on player selection & substitutions during the game. I do not think the Board will sack him, however at this moment in time fear relegation, not because of our defence or rejuvenated Midfield with Albert, but the fact we are lack lustre up front. Vieira needs to pick either Eduard or Mateta ( eduard would be my choice) & stick with them. It is quite clear Ayew or Zaha are not Centre forwards. He also needs to pick the players who have fight as let’s face it we are in big trouble now and you only need fighters in a relegation battle.
Therefore no room for Eze or Schlupp, only if we are losing with 20 minutes to go. Hughes & Richards need to be played more & the new chap from Stuttgart (terrible with names) looks good & needs to be played.
If we are still in the Prem next year we need to find another Manager.
IMO


At risk of repeating myself Re other Viera threads, he couldn't do it with NYCFC in a league where he had the likes of Pirlo, Lampard & Villa at his disposal & the bonus of not having to worry about the threat of relegation.

 


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Originally posted by stancummins

You lot must be mad wanting PV out. Sure its been a tough run of games this year but how many games have we been hammered (none) look at the last time we played a team below us Bournemouth away, NYE played them off the park and should of won by more than 2 0.Yesterday we played a free scoring team who i believe will win the league and apart from the first 10 minutes we contained them and apart from a moment of madness from Olise (who i thought was our best player) we would have picked up a draw.I stayed after the match and the way Pep and the team celebrated in front of their fans you would have thought they had won the Champions League, they knew how tough yesterday was If you are looking for people to dig out it has to be the board for not investing in 1 if not 2 strikers. As long as i have a hole in my rectum Eduard and Matetta will not be good enough. After the international break i believe we will kick on , and at the end of the season the board have to invest in the front line and move the existing pair on

We haven't been hammered* (*Tottenham hammered us, Fulham basically did) because we're playing defensive players, at the expense of trying to attack and win these games. So defensively, that we've set a shots record which indicates our current setup is the worst chance-creating side in Premier League history.

Consider this: We have played the top ten 16 times this season. Of those 16 games, 10 have been at home. We have won zero of those games and scored just 8 goals. We are not trying to win these games - we're simply setting up to not get hammered. I'd also argue the top 10 this year is far weaker than in previous years.

That Bournemouth side we're so much better than? They've just played City, Arsenal, Liverpool in a row. Scored 4 goals, 8 shots on target, got 3 points, were seconds away from another point at the Emirates. Prior to that they beat Wolves and drew with Newcastle - they scored in both.

There are teams with worse sets of players trying to attack and being rewarded for it.

 


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Originally posted by stancummins

You lot must be mad wanting PV out. Sure its been a tough run of games this year but how many games have we been hammered (none) look at the last time we played a team below us Bournemouth away, NYE played them off the park and should of won by more than 2 0.Yesterday we played a free scoring team who i believe will win the league and apart from the first 10 minutes we contained them and apart from a moment of madness from Olise (who i thought was our best player) we would have picked up a draw.I stayed after the match and the way Pep and the team celebrated in front of their fans you would have thought they had won the Champions League, they knew how tough yesterday was If you are looking for people to dig out it has to be the board for not investing in 1 if not 2 strikers. As long as i have a hole in my rectum Eduard and Matetta will not be good enough. After the international break i believe we will kick on , and at the end of the season the board have to invest in the front line and move the existing pair on

Good points. Have to say I’ve not been impressed by PV since the start of this season and I’ve said many a time he needs replacing. The balance of the team due to his selections have been awful. But until the World Cup stoppage we picked up enough points somehow to look safe. However, since the restart and perhaps the Forrest match before the WC our performances have been even worse and team selections plus subs coming on has left me confused. And I do agree with you, it would be mad to sack PV after the Leicester match if all goes wrong. It should have been weeks ago in my opinion like Everton have done. Now we stick with him and hope that finally having two central midfielders in Dacoure and Lakonga that the balance will give us enough points to stay up. It again relies on PV getting the team selection correct and this worries me greatly :-(

 

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We are in a real dilemma.
Im no expert, but yesterday seemed to portray what many on here and at the ground are saying.
The atmosphere at Selhurst said a lot.
We've got some very good players at Palace, but they are not being used.
They sit on the bench for 70 minutes every game.
Yesterday we were clearly not playing to win.
Surely there must be a better option than Ayew on the wing and no strikers etc etc.
Our scoring stats have gone from bad to non existent.
In the last ten minutes yesterday in a knee jerk reaction to the penalty we got ten minutes of hope after 80 minutes of no hope.
Why not at least take a risk and try and score?
Ahumada , Eze, Edouard, accompanying Zaha, Olise, Doucoure, the Arsenal lad and the usual back 4 with Richards and Hughes on the bench. And of course our man of the match every week Guiata.
Id take them any day over what we began with yesterday. (ok a couple of them were sick and suspended)
We might even get a game where Guaita is not our star.
Since the world cup we've been playing dire football. It's not even Royball.
Don't ask me why, or what it is, I haven't got a clue what has happened.
Ok we desperately miss Gallagher but that is not all.
Before the world cup we were looking like top half material.
Today we are genuinely looking like we have no clear direction other than defeat after defeat.
Plus all the players look so down.
Don't ask me what we do, but something different would be a good start.
Something needs to be done to kick up.

 

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Originally posted by Nicholas91

Seems to be two arguments for keeping Vieira in: the board are more to blame and we have ‘winnable’ fixtures coming up.

On the first point I totally agree however changing the manager when things are this awful is a lot easier than changing the board. It is football at the end of the day and we are in a relegation fight. Board backing or not we need to be winning, or at least show some evidence of being capable of winning football games, and for months now we have not.

On the second I am struggling to relax with the thought that the games we have played are a complete anomaly and all of a sudden we’ll start beating everybody else therefore come the end of season everything will be fine. You can’t just write of x proportion of games and shrink our season down to the playing of the bottom 8. It’s the PL every game has its own challenges.

PV does not seem to have any solutions to the problems we are seeing. We’re not even laying a glove on teams. He isn’t showing any signs of fight or aggression whatsoever and therefore the team are not either. We’re not getting near the opposition goal, constantly rotating players, bizarre starting XIs and most importantly losing games of football. Not a ‘wartime’ manager. If we’d of lost, I don’t know, 1-4 yesterday but gave it a real go and just succumbed to city’s trillionaire bought quality I’d of seen that more positively. To bring a manager in to revolutionise the Royball existence only to play an inferior version of it seems insane.

It’s a grim grim time to be a palace fan. There’s literally nothing to cheer about. I don’t see the point in saying ‘tough run’ and ‘we need to/ should have spent £500mil on players’. True or not I want to go each weekend with some belief and for us to stay in the PL, I’m not and I can’t see where the argument for PV being the man is coming from? It almost seems dogmatic and delusional to keep holding a candle to a manager who is breaking records with our terrible performances. The players also look to have lost all belief too and that for me is most damning as our fate lies in their hands.

Great post Mate..

For me it’s the constant rotation and the baffling starting XI’s.

It’s a bit like a Sunday kids team - he hasn’t played for a few weeks so I’ll give him a game - yesterdays example Milo who I noticed was even given the captains armband - what’s that all about..?? Noticed PV does the same with Ward when he’s on the pitch..!!

Make Guehi captain and stick with it..!!

Carrying on the Sunday kids XI analogy - Schlupp and Ayew are like the Managers son’s - neither good enough but every time they’re fit and available they play to the bewilderment of everyone else..!!

All joking/tongue in cheek aside - this ain’t no laughing matter - it’s getting serious and things have got to change and change quickly starting with Brighton away on Wednesday - this could be the perfect fixture/catalyst for us - if you’re a Palace Manager/Player and you can’t get up for Brighton away you shouldn’t be wearing the shirt..!!

Look defensively we look fairLy solid - midfield prior to yesterday was showing signs of looking much better - Doucoure back for Brighton I’d go Doucoure, Lakonga and Hughes if fit.

Up front it’s Olise and Zaha plus one - I’d probably go Edouard - but again stick with it don’t keep rotating..!!

I know I was calling for a fluid front 3 including Eze with Zaha and Olise - but that didn’t seem to work to well last time - but maybe worth revisiting/trying again.

I watched Bournemouth vs Liverpool yesterday and Bournemouth were up for it full of energy, endeavour and running - everyone knew/understood their role..!! Billing looks a player BTW..!!

That’s what Palace need from now until the end of the season desire, commitment and organisation from “1 to 11” ..!!

To achieve that get your/our best players on the pitch, playing to a plan and structure and stick with it..!! I’m sure if we do that the results will come and with the remaining fixtures allied to the quality in our squad compared to others around us we’ll be fine..!!

Keep tinkering, chopping and changing there could be trouble ahead..!!

On PV - there is an argument he should go - after all he’s responsible for selection, formation, tactics etc.. And there is many a Club/Chatman out there that would’ve pulled the trigger by now..!!

But realistically who else is out there to replace him with Lampard, Gerrard - an older head as a stop gap..??

Or do we do as Arsenal did, stick with it, get through the bad times and reap the benefit of/for perseverance further down the line..!!

Here’s to things improving - and what better way to start than a win at Amex.!!

COYP

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