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View Living In Hope's Profile Living In Hope Flag Petersfield 20 Apr 23 10.21pm Send a Private Message to Living In Hope Add Living In Hope as a friend

To me the indisputable facts (but I've probably added up wrong !) are that in 3 games under Roy we have earned 9 points and scored 9 points, more than we did in the last 15 games under PV (8 points and 7 goals). More in 3 games than in 15 ! That is not just about luck, or about a difficult run of fixtures - it's about management capability. I liked PV and was very appreciative of his 1st season, but he had lost his way completely in my view.

 

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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 20 Apr 23 10.50pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by Living In Hope

To me the indisputable facts (but I've probably added up wrong !) are that in 3 games under Roy we have earned 9 points and scored 9 points, more than we did in the last 15 games under PV (8 points and 7 goals). More in 3 games than in 15 ! That is not just about luck, or about a difficult run of fixtures - it's about management capability. I liked PV and was very appreciative of his 1st season, but he had lost his way completely in my view.

I agree all round, good post.

I am quite positive about Roy being here now but rightly or (most likely) wrongly I had the same criticisms as everyone else before he left and reservations when the announcement was made recently.

I think whether you are optimistic and positive about Roy being here now, or sceptical/negative about the whole thing, I'd very much suggest the mentality to just enjoy the fact he is on a 100% win rate as things stand and hope this continues is probably the best course for any of us individually and collectively.

I would struggle enormously to be convinced that PV should have stayed however, I view it as wishful thinking at best to suggest we'd of been fine and seen the same results if he stayed and at worst, we could well have seen a very painful and unsalvageable slide towards a nailed on relegation. The only plus side there is the half-wit crew could have handbags and a cuddle-off at Saint Mary's again next season.

Long live Sir Roy and this long awaited and very much needed winning streak.

COYP, 40 hours or so before Everton K.O.!!!

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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View TheBigToePunt's Profile TheBigToePunt Flag 22 Apr 23 11.15am Send a Private Message to TheBigToePunt Add TheBigToePunt as a friend

As a few of us have said, we will never know what kind of people Vieira and Hodgson are to work for, so it's very difficult to attach any weight to the narrative that the former was aloof and the latter an antidote.

That said, this interview (go to 48:30) is very interesting regarding the kind of guy Roy is. The interviewee was a masuer for Manchester United and England and, as you can hear, has only very nice things to say about Hodgson....

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View taylors lovechild's Profile taylors lovechild Flag 22 Apr 23 11.51am Send a Private Message to taylors lovechild Add taylors lovechild as a friend

We had some terrible long runs without wins under Roy too, such as the seven straight defeats at the end of the 2019/2020 season (which followed a four game winning streak), the one win in 11 games in 2018/2019, or the very patchy final season when we basically stayed up by beating the relegated teams and stealing a win at Brighton and then hung on for dear life. PV came in and suddenly we were getting players in the opposing box, playing exciting football and loving life.

This season PV gradually regressed to playing how Roy had us playing in our final season with a low block, no attacking ideas and praying for a goal. Roy comes in and suddenly we are getting players in the opposing box, playing exciting football and loving life.

Dowie commented on issues with the coaches in his commentary last week and spoke as if he knew more about the behind the scenes issue. He seemed to indicate that much of the problems lay with having coaches more suited to international football than the day-to-day rigors of the PL. Whatever the case, I think most of us agree that post-Christmas under PV was a hard watch, first season PV was great. Equally, final season Roy was a hard watch, new Roy is great.

Roy is a pragmatist and I am a dreamer, I think personally that's why I struggle to get fully onboard with him. It's also why I should never be in charge of a professional football team!

 

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View Eaglecoops's Profile Eaglecoops Flag CR3 22 Apr 23 1.33pm Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

We had some terrible long runs without wins under Roy too, such as the seven straight defeats at the end of the 2019/2020 season (which followed a four game winning streak), the one win in 11 games in 2018/2019, or the very patchy final season when we basically stayed up by beating the relegated teams and stealing a win at Brighton and then hung on for dear life. PV came in and suddenly we were getting players in the opposing box, playing exciting football and loving life.

This season PV gradually regressed to playing how Roy had us playing in our final season with a low block, no attacking ideas and praying for a goal. Roy comes in and suddenly we are getting players in the opposing box, playing exciting football and loving life.

Dowie commented on issues with the coaches in his commentary last week and spoke as if he knew more about the behind the scenes issue. He seemed to indicate that much of the problems lay with having coaches more suited to international football than the day-to-day rigors of the PL. Whatever the case, I think most of us agree that post-Christmas under PV was a hard watch, first season PV was great. Equally, final season Roy was a hard watch, new Roy is great.

Roy is a pragmatist and I am a dreamer, I think personally that's why I struggle to get fully onboard with him. It's also why I should never be in charge of a professional football team!

Decent post that. I donít think there can be any argument about the good and bad times of both managers.

 

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View sydtheeagle's Profile sydtheeagle Flag England 24 Apr 23 8.29pm Send a Private Message to sydtheeagle Add sydtheeagle as a friend

I wonder if what's happening now isn't to some extent a credit to both managers. Vieira isn't, I don't think, a really competent manager (at least yet) but what he did give us (last year at least) was the license and confidence to retain the ball. He fundamentally changed the ethos of our approach to games and even if, particularly without a driving midfielder, we couldn't build on the change this season, what he left behind gave Roy far more to work with than he had fifteen months ago. Add a competent, experienced tactician like Roy to a squad that was now comfortable in posession and bingo...look what's happened. Suddenly, not only do we know how to keep the ball but we suddenly we also know how to use it.

 


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View Elwissthebest's Profile Elwissthebest Flag Marlborough 24 Apr 23 9.29pm Send a Private Message to Elwissthebest Add Elwissthebest as a friend

Well said, (if I may).

I used to think that Roy Hodgson would rather win 1-0 than 5-0.! He had that stamp of an Italian manager about him.
I think I'm right in saying that when he managed Blackburn, he presided over a 2-7 win at Sheffield Wednesday the game before they came to Selhurst. Bruce Dyer scored, although we lost. Colin Hendry got knocked out and carried off, which seemed an impossibility...

So, clearly, Roy Hodgson does know what to do with a talented squad. But the football Palace played in the last days of his last tenure was dire, so it's good that he is signing off on a high. Vieira had to go and Parish could not have waited another game. We'll never know, but i think all this hand-wringing by the likes of garth Crooks is just bunkum. No way would palace have scored nine against Leicester, Leeds, Southampton! They's gone about three games without a shot on target.

 

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View Vaibow's Profile Vaibow Flag vancouver/croydon 25 Apr 23 3.17am Send a Private Message to Vaibow Add Vaibow as a friend

I think previously Roy did what he could with a limited squad.. now, he has these attacking players he can utilise them far better than the inexperienced Patrick could...

 


This was once a quality forum....

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View cpfc001's Profile cpfc001 Flag 25 Apr 23 12.51pm Send a Private Message to cpfc001 Add cpfc001 as a friend

Quiz - Name the PL manager who has not lost a single match this session so far?

 

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View Painter's Profile Painter Flag Croydon 25 Apr 23 1.07pm Send a Private Message to Painter Add Painter as a friend

Originally posted by cpfc001

Quiz - Name the PL manager who has not lost a single match this session so far?

Lampard, he has lost loads more than a single game.&#128578;

 

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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 25 Apr 23 1.28pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by Painter

Lampard, he has lost loads more than a single game.&#128578;

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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View robdave2k's Profile robdave2k Flag 25 Apr 23 2.16pm Send a Private Message to robdave2k Add robdave2k as a friend

I think for me what highlighted there were issues with Vieria was the Southampton cup
game.

Everyone says about playing teams higher in the league, that game pretty much represented Vieriaís entire managerial career.

The team started off well, had a blip, then looked bereft and unfit and no identity.

 

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