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southnorwoodhill Flag 06 Jul 23 9.06am Send a Private Message to southnorwoodhill Add southnorwoodhill as a friend

Originally posted by A89M

Might be slightly optimistic of me but remember the Leicester game at home. Wilf, Olise, Eze all played and we were electric - In fact, I can't think of a more dominant display without scoring. The shots on goal was a record, was it not?

Whilst it's only a small snippet, with all three firing on all cylinders it would be a nightmare for opposition and this is most likely in Parish's thoughts.

So Parish is allegedly willing to give Zaha a 4 year contract on £200k pw based on the players clicking for one game? I'm more of the opinion that Eze and Olise have stepped out of Zaha's shadow and are now far more vital to the future prospects of the club.

 

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SurbsEagle Flag 06 Jul 23 9.55am Send a Private Message to SurbsEagle Add SurbsEagle as a friend

Originally posted by southnorwoodhill

So Parish is allegedly willing to give Zaha a 4 year contract on £200k pw based on the players clicking for one game? I'm more of the opinion that Eze and Olise have stepped out of Zaha's shadow and are now far more vital to the future prospects of the club.

If you flip this on it's head and say we are signing a player of Zaha's calibre for £200k a week on a 4 year deal... I have a feeling most fans would be buzzing about it.
My personal view is that Wilf is top 6 in the prem level. The only team he wouldn't walk into is Man City but otherwise would improve every other top 6 team. Wilf has a huge impact on games that wins points for us, even down to how teams set up defensively against him. He occupies 3/4 defenders every time he gets the ball, which allows more space and freedom for the likes of Eze and Olise. No other players in the league garners that much attention.

£200k a week for what would be almost guaranteed premier league football for 4 years - pays for himself to be honest.

 

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eaglesdare Flag 06 Jul 23 9.58am Send a Private Message to eaglesdare Add eaglesdare as a friend

Lets be honest we would all be happy if zaha was to sign for us.

 

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MrRobbo Flag Chaldon 06 Jul 23 10.04am Send a Private Message to MrRobbo Add MrRobbo as a friend

Originally posted by SurbsEagle

If you flip this on it's head and say we are signing a player of Zaha's calibre for £200k a week on a 4 year deal... I have a feeling most fans would be buzzing about it.
My personal view is that Wilf is top 6 in the prem level. The only team he wouldn't walk into is Man City but otherwise would improve every other top 6 team. Wilf has a huge impact on games that wins points for us, even down to how teams set up defensively against him. He occupies 3/4 defenders every time he gets the ball, which allows more space and freedom for the likes of Eze and Olise. No other players in the league garners that much attention.

£200k a week for what would be almost guaranteed premier league football for 4 years - pays for himself to be honest.

We absolutely would be buzzing about it.

He quite clearly wouldn't walk into the top 6 sides, hence the lack of interest. All the big clubs have at least 2 top left forwards.

I don't think the issue is that people don't want him or respect him, but:

200k/4 years is a lot, especially for a 30yr old

He is showing zero desire to resign for us. And ultimately we want players to want to play for us

When there are options out there like a 22yr old Hudson-Odoi that feels like a more exciting long term prospect

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards grumpymort Flag US/Thailand/UK 06 Jul 23 10.19am Send a Private Message to grumpymort Add grumpymort as a friend

Originally posted by SurbsEagle

If you flip this on it's head and say we are signing a player of Zaha's calibre for £200k a week on a 4 year deal... I have a feeling most fans would be buzzing about it.
My personal view is that Wilf is top 6 in the prem level. The only team he wouldn't walk into is Man City but otherwise would improve every other top 6 team. Wilf has a huge impact on games that wins points for us, even down to how teams set up defensively against him. He occupies 3/4 defenders every time he gets the ball, which allows more space and freedom for the likes of Eze and Olise. No other players in the league garners that much attention.

£200k a week for what would be almost guaranteed premier league football for 4 years - pays for himself to be honest.


You can't be serious.

He is 30 years old.


200k is madness for a club like ours and if he is offered money like this if I was other first team starters I would want close to that as well.

If he is top 6 why has none of them come in for him as soon as it was known he would be a free agent you would expect rather then go out spending they would sign him on a free.

Wilf does not have a hugh impact in positive way look at his stats they are not great and in negative way is correct with his laziness and moaning/losing temper.

Top players do not stay at a club like Palace for 8 years.

He has 0 European football experience and even his National team record is not great.

If he was surrounded by 3/4 defenders as you claim Palace should be walking to ball in for goals you are thinking of old Wilf. (The current Wilf gives the ball away a lot of the time and has no interest in evening having assists last season he had only 2 the year before 1)

Palace need to move on from him

If they did retain him 2 year deal at the most and either the same money is is currently on or a reduction even 130 grand a week is too much.

 


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EddieMac Flag 06 Jul 23 10.24am Send a Private Message to EddieMac Add EddieMac as a friend

I don’t believe for 1 minute that Wilf has been offered £200k a week and a 4 year contract by Palace and I also have no idea what is going on behind the scenes but it is clear as can be that we are not his 1st choice club or he would have signed.

It looks to me that he is going to end up at a club that is an even worse option than Palace because he’s backed himself into a corner.

 

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Jacey Flag 06 Jul 23 10.26am Send a Private Message to Jacey Add Jacey as a friend

Originally posted by grumpymort


You can't be serious.

He is 30 years old.


200k is madness for a club like ours and if he is offered money like this if I was other first team starters I would want close to that as well.

If he is top 6 why has none of them come in for him as soon as it was known he would be a free agent you would expect rather then go out spending they would sign him on a free.

Wilf does not have a hugh impact in positive way look at his stats they are not great and in negative way is correct with his laziness and moaning/losing temper.

Top players do not stay at a club like Palace for 8 years.

He has 0 European football experience and even his National team record is not great.

If he was surrounded by 3/4 defenders as you claim Palace should be walking to ball in for goals you are thinking of old Wilf. (The current Wilf gives the ball away a lot of the time and has no interest in evening having assists last season he had only 2 the year before 1)

Palace need to move on from him

If they did retain him 2 year deal at the most and either the same money is is currently on or a reduction even 130 grand a week is too much.

In total agreement with your common sense comments.

 

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eaglesdare Flag 06 Jul 23 11.15am Send a Private Message to eaglesdare Add eaglesdare as a friend

Poor wilf. He has made poor decisions his whole career. Don't foresee this being anything different.

Who is advising him?

 

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SurbsEagle Flag 06 Jul 23 11.33am Send a Private Message to SurbsEagle Add SurbsEagle as a friend

Originally posted by grumpymort


You can't be serious.

He is 30 years old.


200k is madness for a club like ours and if he is offered money like this if I was other first team starters I would want close to that as well.

If he is top 6 why has none of them come in for him as soon as it was known he would be a free agent you would expect rather then go out spending they would sign him on a free.

Wilf does not have a hugh impact in positive way look at his stats they are not great and in negative way is correct with his laziness and moaning/losing temper.

Top players do not stay at a club like Palace for 8 years.

He has 0 European football experience and even his National team record is not great.

If he was surrounded by 3/4 defenders as you claim Palace should be walking to ball in for goals you are thinking of old Wilf. (The current Wilf gives the ball away a lot of the time and has no interest in evening having assists last season he had only 2 the year before 1)

Palace need to move on from him

If they did retain him 2 year deal at the most and either the same money is is currently on or a reduction even 130 grand a week is too much.

We don't know if any of the top 6 has come in for him to be honest. We don't really know anything, it's all guesswork and clickbait reports.
I would say, the top 6 won't come in for him based solely around his age and the fact he has just had a few injuries in the last season. Doesn't show much ambition to sign an injured 30 year old from Palace, when the top 6 expectations are to go out and sign the best young players in the world.
Aside from Man City's left hand side and maybe Liverpool's, who would you say is better than Wilf from the top 6? He would start for Man U, Newcastle, Spurs, possibly Arsenal (they were interested only 12 months ago). Would easily get in the current Chelsea team.

Also, stats don't tell the whole story so that's not exactly the best way of looking at his career at Palace.
Firstly, he is someone who causes carnage on the pitch. He scares the life out of defenders, they can't put that into stats.
Secondly, he has played at Palace under Allardyce, Pulis and Roy-ball - none of these periods in Palace's history reflect well for the attacking players in our team when it comes to stats. But who has been the one player that has allowed us to have 10 men behind the ball for all of these managers? The one who when he gets the ball, not only drags us up the pitch but makes things happen?

 

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SurbsEagle Flag 06 Jul 23 11.39am Send a Private Message to SurbsEagle Add SurbsEagle as a friend

Originally posted by MrRobbo

We absolutely would be buzzing about it.

He quite clearly wouldn't walk into the top 6 sides, hence the lack of interest. All the big clubs have at least 2 top left forwards.

I don't think the issue is that people don't want him or respect him, but:

200k/4 years is a lot, especially for a 30yr old

He is showing zero desire to resign for us. And ultimately we want players to want to play for us

When there are options out there like a 22yr old Hudson-Odoi that feels like a more exciting long term prospect

Yeah I get that the outlook from the fans is that he doesn't want to re-sign for us because he seems to be holding out for better. No one knows though because we're not told and not going to be told. I believe Wilf has earned the right to see what else is out there before potentially committing to us.

If we want him, and we clearly do, then £200k a week for 4 years (if offered) puts us in the top 3/4 offers he is likely to receive. If it was £150k for 2 years, I'd say we don't have a chance. I have no doubt though that the board and Parish have costed up the risk/reward of this and clearly can afford to pay him that from our current budget. There is no transfer fee for him too so that probably plays a factor, as if we were to replace him - that could cost us around £30-40m for the transfer fee.

When you sign a free agent you have to offer a contract that is bloated because there is no transfer fee. All clubs will do the same thing so it bloats the market. That's all that is happening here

 

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doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 06 Jul 23 3.00pm Send a Private Message to doombear Add doombear as a friend

Originally posted by SurbsEagle

We don't know if any of the top 6 has come in for him to be honest. We don't really know anything, it's all guesswork and clickbait reports.
I would say, the top 6 won't come in for him based solely around his age and the fact he has just had a few injuries in the last season. Doesn't show much ambition to sign an injured 30 year old from Palace, when the top 6 expectations are to go out and sign the best young players in the world.
Aside from Man City's left hand side and maybe Liverpool's, who would you say is better than Wilf from the top 6? He would start for Man U, Newcastle, Spurs, possibly Arsenal (they were interested only 12 months ago). Would easily get in the current Chelsea team.

Also, stats don't tell the whole story so that's not exactly the best way of looking at his career at Palace.
Firstly, he is someone who causes carnage on the pitch. He scares the life out of defenders, they can't put that into stats.
Secondly, he has played at Palace under Allardyce, Pulis and Roy-ball - none of these periods in Palace's history reflect well for the attacking players in our team when it comes to stats. But who has been the one player that has allowed us to have 10 men behind the ball for all of these managers? The one who when he gets the ball, not only drags us up the pitch but makes things happen?


In answer to your question:
- Arsenal no longer need him now they have both Martinelli and Trossard out wide - both of whom will play for the team by getting the ball in to the penality area, certainly more quickly than Zaha usually does.
- Man U have a certain Marcus Rashford who generally plays out wide on the left. Are you seriously suggesting Zaha would take his place? They also have an exciting young kid called Garnacha who is already terrorising defences and who will only improve. Zaha is not taking his place.
- As for Spurs, whilst Son hasn't had the best of seasons, the best Zaha can expect there is bench time.
- Chelsea? Wait and see what Pochettino does with the existing players Chelsea retain. Zaha would IMO opinion be unlikely to feature in his team.
- Newcastle is the only possibility IMO but given teh way that ASM is being used from the bench these days, I don't see Zaha getting any more starting time than he..

Zaha makes too many poor choices and has been said in other posts, too often loses the ball these days. He also slows the play down when we fans are willing him to pass the ball quickly to players who are in promising positions.

I'm sorry but the Zaha you seem to be promoting was a player at his peak and that is no longer the case. He's been a great player for us but he owes us nothing and neither do we owe him anything.

Time to move on for both parties.

Edited by doombear (06 Jul 2023 3.02pm)

 

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pssguy Flag 06 Jul 23 3.21pm Send a Private Message to pssguy Add pssguy as a friend

Originally posted by eaglesdare

Lets be honest we would all be happy if zaha was to sign for us.

Let's be honest, You're wrong

 

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