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View silvertop's Profile silvertop Flag Portishead 19 Jul 23 9.33pm Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

what has oral sex got to do with it ?

Ha I got stuck in my sex metaphor!

 

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View silvertop's Profile silvertop Flag Portishead 19 Jul 23 10.04pm Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

Originally posted by georgenorman

Even if some did vote leave because of EU immigration, it is hardly racist. Europeans are overwhelmingly of the same same race.

If you wanted controls on immigration the only possible way of getting them was to vote Leave, even though our hapless governments have done very little to address the problem since Brexit.

I know a person who voted leave because he hates the Poles.

Your second point is something I heard a lot but nobody has been able to provide a causal connection between Brexit and tighter immigration control of non EU nationals.

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 20 Jul 23 4.46am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by silvertop

I know a person who voted leave because he hates the Poles.

Your second point is something I heard a lot but nobody has been able to provide a causal connection between Brexit and tighter immigration control of non EU nationals.

There isnít one but IF and itís a big if; the UK hmg actually put one together it couldnít be cattle trucked by the eu I guess.

 

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View georgenorman's Profile georgenorman Flag 20 Jul 23 5.55am Send a Private Message to georgenorman Add georgenorman as a friend

Originally posted by silvertop

I know a person who voted leave because he hates the Poles.

Your second point is something I heard a lot but nobody has been able to provide a causal connection between Brexit and tighter immigration control of non EU nationals.

Was him hating Poles racist? Are Poles a different race from him?

While in the EU, free movement of people meant that we had hardly any means at all of controlling the number of EU citizens coming to this country.

 

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View silvertop's Profile silvertop Flag Portishead 20 Jul 23 10.21am Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

Originally posted by georgenorman

Was him hating Poles racist? Are Poles a different race from him?

While in the EU, free movement of people meant that we had hardly any means at all of controlling the number of EU citizens coming to this country.

I don't call it racist, but it never ceases to amaze me that there is prejudice by many British against Europeans. Especially the Poles with whom we have had a close bond for a very long time.

As you say, they are essentially the same race, and those who came were overwhelmingly grafters, paid into the tax system, and boosted the economy. There were resource issues, of course, but that pressure largely came from non-EU migrants who may have been less able to assimilate.

And what is your problem with a lack of control over EU citizens coming? They go to. And they did. Every day they cross soft borders, back and forth within the EU, transferring skills, filling vacancies and chasing the work. They have done this for some time with impunity and no adverse consequences for any of the nations. In fact, quite the opposite as it ensures closer to full employment and addresses inflationary wage spikes (as we are are suffering right now).

I feel many, especially older folk, are too emotionally wedded to the physical and philosophical barrier that is the Channel which narrowly separates us from the rest of the Continent. However, younger folk have taken cheap shuttle flights to Paris, or gone under the Chunnel, or taken the brief ferry to Calais and realize the barrier is nothing more than 25 miles of briny water. We are Europeans just like them.

Thatcher was and remains a hero of the right. She hated the amount we paid in and what she saw as creeping federalism (both issues she also realized she could address but only while inside the tent). But she was first and foremost a free marketeer. She understood the critical necessity of free movement of goods, services and labour. She did nothing to curb EU migrants. Only the unions and hard left would have done that in order to fend off competition for work and inflate wages.

I have heard no good argument on that. "I went into my GP waiting room the other day and half the people there were speaking f*****g Polish" is about as good as it got.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 20 Jul 23 10.31am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by silvertop

I don't call it racist, but it never ceases to amaze me that there is prejudice by many British against Europeans. Especially the Poles with whom we have had a close bond for a very long time.

As you say, they are essentially the same race, and those who came were overwhelmingly grafters, paid into the tax system, and boosted the economy. There were resource issues, of course, but that pressure largely came from non-EU migrants who may have been less able to assimilate.

And what is your problem with a lack of control over EU citizens coming? They go to. And they did. Every day they cross soft borders, back and forth within the EU, transferring skills, filling vacancies and chasing the work. They have done this for some time with impunity and no adverse consequences for any of the nations. In fact, quite the opposite as it ensures closer to full employment and addresses inflationary wage spikes (as we are are suffering right now).

I feel many, especially older folk, are too emotionally wedded to the physical and philosophical barrier that is the Channel which narrowly separates us from the rest of the Continent. However, younger folk have taken cheap shuttle flights to Paris, or gone under the Chunnel, or taken the brief ferry to Calais and realize the barrier is nothing more than 25 miles of briny water. We are Europeans just like them.

Thatcher was and remains a hero of the right. She hated the amount we paid in and what she saw as creeping federalism (both issues she also realized she could address but only while inside the tent). But she was first and foremost a free marketeer. She understood the critical necessity of free movement of goods, services and labour. She did nothing to curb EU migrants. Only the unions and hard left would have done that in order to fend off competition for work and inflate wages.

I have heard no good argument on that. "I went into my GP waiting room the other day and half the people there were speaking f*****g Polish" is about as good as it got.

I think it's totally reasonable for the British to complain about immigration being used to keep wages down within their industries....all while they notice the wages in protected industries, for example the financial sector rocket.

However, I agree with you on the European point and your history lesson.

Problem is that EU leaders aren't interested in Europeans remaining Europeans. It's almost like they want a reduced middle class and a large slave class working for existence, while they live like kings.

 


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View georgenorman's Profile georgenorman Flag 20 Jul 23 12.18pm Send a Private Message to georgenorman Add georgenorman as a friend

Originally posted by silvertop

I don't call it racist, but it never ceases to amaze me that there is prejudice by many British against Europeans. Especially the Poles with whom we have had a close bond for a very long time.

As you say, they are essentially the same race, and those who came were overwhelmingly grafters, paid into the tax system, and boosted the economy. There were resource issues, of course, but that pressure largely came from non-EU migrants who may have been less able to assimilate.

And what is your problem with a lack of control over EU citizens coming? They go to. And they did. Every day they cross soft borders, back and forth within the EU, transferring skills, filling vacancies and chasing the work. They have done this for some time with impunity and no adverse consequences for any of the nations. In fact, quite the opposite as it ensures closer to full employment and addresses inflationary wage spikes (as we are are suffering right now).

I feel many, especially older folk, are too emotionally wedded to the physical and philosophical barrier that is the Channel which narrowly separates us from the rest of the Continent. However, younger folk have taken cheap shuttle flights to Paris, or gone under the Chunnel, or taken the brief ferry to Calais and realize the barrier is nothing more than 25 miles of briny water. We are Europeans just like them.

Thatcher was and remains a hero of the right. She hated the amount we paid in and what she saw as creeping federalism (both issues she also realized she could address but only while inside the tent). But she was first and foremost a free marketeer. She understood the critical necessity of free movement of goods, services and labour. She did nothing to curb EU migrants. Only the unions and hard left would have done that in order to fend off competition for work and inflate wages.

I have heard no good argument on that. "I went into my GP waiting room the other day and half the people there were speaking f*****g Polish" is about as good as it got.

I donít think people are prejudice against Europeans, they just have justifiable concerns about immigration with the strain put on services, resources and existing communities. I donít think the Channel has anything to do with it, people would still have the same concerns if we were not an island.

Thatcherís concerns were that the EU was evolving into federalism, a concern no doubt shared by everyone who voted Leave.

You seem to imply that the EU Single Market is free trade. It is anything but. It is protectionist, price-rigging racket whose main purpose appears to be providing healthy incomes to French farmers while helping to impoverish third-world countries.

 

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View silvertop's Profile silvertop Flag Portishead 20 Jul 23 9.48pm Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I think it's totally reasonable for the British to complain about immigration being used to keep wages down within their industries....all while they notice the wages in protected industries, for example the financial sector rocket.

However, I agree with you on the European point and your history lesson.

Problem is that EU leaders aren't interested in Europeans remaining Europeans. It's almost like they want a reduced middle class and a large slave class working for existence, while they live like kings.

Who funds the Tories? The city.

And who do labour have to schmooze to get power? Same answer.

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 08 Aug 23 9.06am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Migrants refuse to stay in barge as they are scared of the water.

Ok how did you arrive here err by water.

I don't get the fuss over this barge it must pass all the safety regulations and from the pictures I have seen it looks no different to a hotel.

Time to tell these people this is your accommodation if you don't like it sleep on the streets we never asked you to come here.

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 08 Aug 23 9.30am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Migrants refuse to stay in barge as they are scared of the water.

Ok how did you arrive here err by water.

I don't get the fuss over this barge it must pass all the safety regulations and from the pictures I have seen it looks no different to a hotel.

Time to tell these people this is your accommodation if you don't like it sleep on the streets we never asked you to come here.

I saw it as it was towed out of Falmouth where some work had been done. Itís big and ugly. I wouldnít want it in my neighbourhood! The accommodation looks perfectly acceptable though. The problem is more that, very understandably, the local people are concerned about the impact on them. Having them sleep on the streets would make that worse. Also the migrants have been fed all sorts of misinformation by the gangs who traffic them about what they will get here. So they too are often victims.

I cannot see a quick solution!

 

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View mezzer's Profile mezzer Flag Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 08 Aug 23 9.36am Send a Private Message to mezzer Add mezzer as a friend

Barge to the front of the queue by getting here illegally then barge while you're awaiting processing seems very fair to me.

 


Living down here does have some advantages. At least you can see them cry.

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View Behind Enemy Lines's Profile Behind Enemy Lines Flag Sussex 08 Aug 23 9.37am Send a Private Message to Behind Enemy Lines Add Behind Enemy Lines as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I saw it as it was towed out of Falmouth where some work had been done. Itís big and ugly. I wouldnít want it in my neighbourhood! The accommodation looks perfectly acceptable though. The problem is more that, very understandably, the local people are concerned about the impact on them. Having them sleep on the streets would make that worse. Also the migrants have been fed all sorts of misinformation by the gangs who traffic them about what they will get here. So they too are often victims.

I cannot see a quick solution!

I can quite understand that the locals are concerned. I believe that there is no control over the migrants movements; they can come and go as they please and with potentially 500 young males roaming the area is naturally a cause of worry. I wonder how many will return to the barge at all or just disappear into the night never to be seen again.
Interesting how you say that there has been misinformation about what the migrants have been told they will get here...on that basis you'd think that they would phone home and tell others not to bother. Yet still they arrive.

 


hats off to palace, they were always gonna be louder, and hate to say it but they were impressive ALL bouncing and singing.

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