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palace99 New Mills 08 Aug 23 4.00pm
Originally posted by m/k mick One thing will never change, the old saying that the left or socialists are great until they run out of other peoples money, another true saying is the young if they have a heart are left leaning, but as the brain develops they lean to the right, politically speaking, never a truer word or maybe you just get more selfish and lack empathy as you get older. Definitely the case with my dad. A working class lad, who always voted left or centre when i was growing up. By the end he became quite right wing and a Brexit voter
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palace99

New Mills 08 Aug 23 4.00pm

Originally posted by m/k mick

One thing will never change, the old saying that the left or socialists are great until they run out of other peoples money, another true saying is the young if they have a heart are left leaning, but as the brain develops they lean to the right, politically speaking, never a truer word

or maybe you just get more selfish and lack empathy as you get older.
Definitely the case with my dad. A working class lad, who always voted left or centre when i was growing up. By the end he became quite right wing and a Brexit voter

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Hrolf The Ganger 08 Aug 23 4.05pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Nail on head. It's not as though they don't get enough lefty or socially liberal media is it. The one comment I'll concede for the real lefties or socialists is that they are partly excluded as while all the neo liberal stuff agrees with them on most social issues it doesn't on the financial. However, that's the same situation for most social conservatives as GB News, is itself is very milk toast small 'c' conservativism. It was forced to get rid of the proper conservatives like Mark Steyn after establishment 'progressive' toady Ofcom went after him about his covid coverage.....considering how the messaging is changing over covid they could end up paying a considerable price for that in the future. Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Aug 2023 2.32pm) OFCOM is hardly neutral, as you suggest. Wokeism, or what ever epithet one wants to apply, is certainly not about the old left or traditional Labour.
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08 Aug 23 4.05pm

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Nail on head.

It's not as though they don't get enough lefty or socially liberal media is it.

The one comment I'll concede for the real lefties or socialists is that they are partly excluded as while all the neo liberal stuff agrees with them on most social issues it doesn't on the financial.

However, that's the same situation for most social conservatives as GB News, is itself is very milk toast small 'c' conservativism.

It was forced to get rid of the proper conservatives like Mark Steyn after establishment 'progressive' toady Ofcom went after him about his covid coverage.....considering how the messaging is changing over covid they could end up paying a considerable price for that in the future.

Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Aug 2023 2.32pm)

OFCOM is hardly neutral, as you suggest.

Wokeism, or what ever epithet one wants to apply, is certainly not about the old left or traditional Labour.

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Mattconrov 08 Aug 23 4.05pm
Originally posted by palace99 Good points. Whether you like him or not Starmer represents a more moderate approach to govt, and he quickly realised that to get into power he needs the support of the centre thinking/soft right voters. If you look at the voting over the last 40 plus years of general elections only a move to the right from Blair got Labour into power. Starmer appears to be replicating this policy. Whether you liked Corbyn or not, the fact is the 2019 election was a terrible performance from Labour, so something had to change. I'm not a massive fan of Starmer but i understand his strategy. The Green party has had decent support over the last 30 odd years but only has 1 MP and this won't improve any time soon. It appears when a general election comes around the majority of the country vote right of centre. Agreed. It feels like from what you're saying - is that people don't really want real change Just someone up there who appears to be in control and giving us the illusion of competence. Boris Johnson being prime minister destroys all the above points I've made. Lol " You're not laughing now are you". Nigel Farage 2016.
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08 Aug 23 4.05pm

Originally posted by palace99

Good points. Whether you like him or not Starmer represents a more moderate approach to govt, and he quickly realised that to get into power he needs the support of the centre thinking/soft right voters. If you look at the voting over the last 40 plus years of general elections only a move to the right from Blair got Labour into power.
Starmer appears to be replicating this policy.
Whether you liked Corbyn or not, the fact is the 2019 election was a terrible performance from Labour, so something had to change.

I'm not a massive fan of Starmer but i understand his strategy.

The Green party has had decent support over the last 30 odd years but only has 1 MP and this won't improve any time soon.

It appears when a general election comes around the majority of the country vote right of centre.

Agreed. It feels like from what you're saying - is that people don't really want real change Just someone up there who appears to be in control and giving us the illusion of competence.

Boris Johnson being prime minister destroys all the above points I've made. Lol

" You're not laughing now are you". Nigel Farage 2016.

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Hrolf The Ganger 08 Aug 23 4.06pm
Originally posted by palace99 or maybe you just get more selfish and lack empathy as you get older. Definitely the case with my dad. A working class lad, who always voted left or centre when i was growing up. By the end he became quite right wing and a Brexit voter It's called getting older and wiser.
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Hrolf The Ganger

08 Aug 23 4.06pm

Originally posted by palace99

It's called getting older and wiser.

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Badger11 Beckenham 08 Aug 23 4.21pm
Originally posted by palace99 Good points. Whether you like him or not Starmer represents a more moderate approach to govt, and he quickly realised that to get into power he needs the support of the centre thinking/soft right voters. If you look at the voting over the last 40 plus years of general elections only a move to the right from Blair got Labour into power. Starmer appears to be replicating this policy. Whether you liked Corbyn or not, the fact is the 2019 election was a terrible performance from Labour, so something had to change. I'm not a massive fan of Starmer but i understand his strategy. The Green party has had decent support over the last 30 odd years but only has 1 MP and this won't improve any time soon. It appears when a general election comes around the majority of the country vote right of centre. Except at General Elections the last time I looked they averaged around 7%, they mainly do well as a protest vote in the lesser elections. One more point
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Beckenham 08 Aug 23 4.21pm

Originally posted by palace99

I'm not a massive fan of Starmer but i understand his strategy.

The Green party has had decent support over the last 30 odd years but only has 1 MP and this won't improve any time soon.

It appears when a general election comes around the majority of the country vote right of centre.

Except at General Elections the last time I looked they averaged around 7%, they mainly do well as a protest vote in the lesser elections.

One more point

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cryrst The garden of England 08 Aug 23 4.39pm
Originally posted by palace99 or maybe you just get more selfish and lack empathy as you get older. Definitely the case with my dad. A working class lad, who always voted left or centre when i was growing up. By the end he became quite right wing and a Brexit voter Or you consider it’s you paying for the no marks to live off the state.
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The garden of England 08 Aug 23 4.39pm

Originally posted by palace99

Or you consider it’s you paying for the no marks to live off the state.

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Stirlingsays 08 Aug 23 4.48pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 Well just the normal channels BBC, Sky News, Channel 4 evening slot. Really we ought to have a LeftyTV for balance. But we would't be able to have Labour MPs presenting as they are too right wing. In fact I am surprised they are not presenters on GBNews themselves. The way Starmer is sucking up to Blair, it's just a matter of time before his identikits make it to the telly. Yes, you should get your 'progressive' TV.....as much as it gives me stomach ache to say it and I should get my DR stuff as well. Why should the establishment get to keep all the cherries? More decentralisation I say and less central.....Let similarly minded people come together and dissimilar move apart and live within their own systems....The wealthy get to do it why not us? 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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08 Aug 23 4.48pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Well just the normal channels BBC, Sky News, Channel 4 evening slot.

Really we ought to have a LeftyTV for balance.

But we would't be able to have Labour MPs presenting as they are too right wing.

In fact I am surprised they are not presenters on GBNews themselves.

The way Starmer is sucking up to Blair, it's just a matter of time before his identikits make it to the telly.

Yes, you should get your 'progressive' TV.....as much as it gives me stomach ache to say it and I should get my DR stuff as well. Why should the establishment get to keep all the cherries? More decentralisation I say and less central.....Let similarly minded people come together and dissimilar move apart and live within their own systems....The wealthy get to do it why not us?

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Stirlingsays 08 Aug 23 4.53pm
Originally posted by palace99 or maybe you just get more selfish and lack empathy as you get older. Definitely the case with my dad. A working class lad, who always voted left or centre when i was growing up. By the end he became quite right wing and a Brexit voter More selfish? How much of your income do you give away? There is empathy, which I'm sure he has, and then there is common sense. Perhaps your Dad just grew up.....the world when he was young was far more conservative than today and perhaps it's more the case that the world changed more than perhaps he did. Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Aug 2023 8.24pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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08 Aug 23 4.53pm

Originally posted by palace99

or maybe you just get more selfish and lack empathy as you get older.
Definitely the case with my dad. A working class lad, who always voted left or centre when i was growing up. By the end he became quite right wing and a Brexit voter

More selfish? How much of your income do you give away? There is empathy, which I'm sure he has, and then there is common sense.

Perhaps your Dad just grew up.....the world when he was young was far more conservative than today and perhaps it's more the case that the world changed more than perhaps he did.

Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Aug 2023 8.24pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 09 Aug 23 11.22am
Originally posted by m/k mick One thing will never change, the old saying that the left or socialists are great until they run out of other peoples money, another true saying is the young if they have a heart are left leaning, but as the brain develops they lean to the right, politically speaking, never a truer word Not happening with Millennials; [Link]
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Originally posted by m/k mick

Not happening with Millennials;
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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 09 Aug 23 11.26am
Can't believe no mention of GB News' frontman Dan Wootton and Byline Time's multi-year investigation into his conduct; [Link] [Link] [Link] [Link]
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SE19 09 Aug 23 11.26am

Can't believe no mention of GB News' frontman Dan Wootton and Byline Time's multi-year investigation into his conduct;

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Badger11 Beckenham 09 Aug 23 11.31am
Originally posted by m/k mick One thing will never change, the old saying that the left or socialists are great until they run out of other peoples money, another true saying is the young if they have a heart are left leaning, but as the brain develops they lean to the right, politically speaking, never a truer word Writing was first developed not so a love sick poet could woo his girl but for property ownership. Yup at some point thousands of years ago people who had wealth wanted to keep hold of it and they needed a way to explain to others "This is mine and not yours". Nothing has changed. One more point
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Beckenham 09 Aug 23 11.31am

Originally posted by m/k mick

Writing was first developed not so a love sick poet could woo his girl but for property ownership.

Yup at some point thousands of years ago people who had wealth wanted to keep hold of it and they needed a way to explain to others "This is mine and not yours".

Nothing has changed.

One more point

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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 27 Sep 23 11.18am
Yet another scandal to the list with Laurence Fox suspended from the channel for a rant about a female journalist, while the host (who's got a whole host of allegations of his own which everyone is weirdly quiet on) chuckles away. GB News now sh*tting themselves and apologising left right and centre in the hope they don't get shut down. Remember, they are here to takeover!
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SE19 27 Sep 23 11.18am

Yet another scandal to the list with Laurence Fox suspended from the channel for a rant about a female journalist, while the host (who's got a whole host of allegations of his own which everyone is weirdly quiet on) chuckles away.

GB News now sh*tting themselves and apologising left right and centre in the hope they don't get shut down.

Remember, they are here to takeover!

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