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 Hrolf The Ganger  09 Aug 23 10.19pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
An interesting and great writer of prose I acknowledge, but prophetic not so. He warned about totalitarianism but that’s not to predict it. That the right imagine it is what we are seeing is simply evidence of their paranoia. What’s really amusing is the way the right seem to think his words support their views. This could not be further from the truth, as he was a socialist. Something he went at great pains to point out. Don’t believe me? Try reading this short analysis of the political thinking behind his writing. It contains some Orwell quotes I doubt you will have seen before:- Congratulations. Your ability to misunderstand almost everything is quite an achievement.
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| steeleye20 Online Croydon 09 Aug 23 10.22pm |
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George Orwell fought against fascism in the Spanish civil war ('Homage to Catalonia') and was scathing about capitalism and the right, also about the British empire ('Burmese Days'). There is a fantastic and hilarious rant against 'capitalist bum-lickers' in Homage to Catalonia which had my spanish lady friend at the time in stitches. His portrayal of Britain approaching war in 'Coming up for Air' make you feel you are there yourself, 'Keep the Aspidistra Flying' a gentle mockery of English class. It's very odd for a right wing person to quote Orwell, he was nothing of the kind.
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HKOwen Online  Hong Kong 09 Aug 23 10.25pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
George Orwell fought against fascism in the Spanish civil war ('Homage to Catalonia') and was scathing about capitalism and the right, also about the British empire ('Burmese Days'). There is a fantastic and hilarious rant against 'capitalist bum-lickers' in Homage to Catalonia which had my spanish lady friend at the time in stitches. His portrayal of Britain approaching war in 'Coming up for Air' make you feel you are there yourself, 'Keep the Aspidistra Flying' a gentle mockery of English class. It's very odd for a right wing person to quote Orwell, he was nothing of the kind. You don't mention Animal Farm, what a surprise. Btw, how's your lauding of racist anti-semites coming along, still at pace I trust
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| georgenorman 09 Aug 23 10.31pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
George Orwell fought against fascism in the Spanish civil war ('Homage to Catalonia') and was scathing about capitalism and the right, also about the British empire ('Burmese Days'). There is a fantastic and hilarious rant against 'capitalist bum-lickers' in Homage to Catalonia which had my spanish lady friend at the time in stitches. His portrayal of Britain approaching war in 'Coming up for Air' make you feel you are there yourself, 'Keep the Aspidistra Flying' a gentle mockery of English class. It's very odd for a right wing person to quote Orwell, he was nothing of the kind. Of course Orwell was an old fashioned Socialist, there is no dispute about that. However, he was as anti-Communist as he was anti-Fascist, he was also anti-homosexuals and probably anti-semitic. 'Animal Farm' is of course a complete refutation of the communist Russian Revolution, in '1984' the country to run by INGSOC “English Socialism”.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 09 Aug 23 11.27pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Congratulations. Your ability to misunderstand almost everything is quite an achievement. Coming from you I regard that as a big endorsement. Thanks.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 09 Aug 23 11.37pm |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
Of course Orwell was an old fashioned Socialist, there is no dispute about that. However, he was as anti-Communist as he was anti-Fascist, he was also anti-homosexuals and probably anti-semitic. 'Animal Farm' is of course a complete refutation of the communist Russian Revolution, in '1984' the country to run by INGSOC “English Socialism”. Perhaps you chose not to read the link I sent. Here is what Orwell said about 1984:- “My novel Nineteen Eighty-Four is not intended as an attack on socialism, or on the British Labor party, but as a show-up of the perversions to which a centralized economy is liable, and which have already been partly realized in Communism and fascism. I do not believe that the kind of society I describe necessarily will arrive, but I believe (allowing of course for the fact that the book is a satire) that something resembling it could arrive. I believe also that totalitarian ideas have taken root in the minds of intellectuals everywhere, and I have tried to draw these ideas out to their logical consequences. The scene of the book is laid in Britain in order to emphasize that the English-speaking races are not innately better than anyone else and that totalitarianism, if not fought against, could triumph anywhere.” I agree with him. It could. We must protect democracy. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (09 Aug 2023 11.39pm)
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cryrst  The garden of England 10 Aug 23 5.40am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Perhaps you chose not to read the link I sent. Here is what Orwell said about 1984:- “My novel Nineteen Eighty-Four is not intended as an attack on socialism, or on the British Labor party, but as a show-up of the perversions to which a centralized economy is liable, and which have already been partly realized in Communism and fascism. I do not believe that the kind of society I describe necessarily will arrive, but I believe (allowing of course for the fact that the book is a satire) that something resembling it could arrive. I believe also that totalitarian ideas have taken root in the minds of intellectuals everywhere, and I have tried to draw these ideas out to their logical consequences. The scene of the book is laid in Britain in order to emphasize that the English-speaking races are not innately better than anyone else and that totalitarianism, if not fought against, could triumph anywhere.” I agree with him. It could. We must protect democracy. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (09 Aug 2023 11.39pm) Coming through a town near you in 2024 !
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| georgenorman 10 Aug 23 6.24am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Perhaps you chose not to read the link I sent. Here is what Orwell said about 1984:- “My novel Nineteen Eighty-Four is not intended as an attack on socialism, or on the British Labor party, but as a show-up of the perversions to which a centralized economy is liable, and which have already been partly realized in Communism and fascism. I do not believe that the kind of society I describe necessarily will arrive, but I believe (allowing of course for the fact that the book is a satire) that something resembling it could arrive. I believe also that totalitarian ideas have taken root in the minds of intellectuals everywhere, and I have tried to draw these ideas out to their logical consequences. The scene of the book is laid in Britain in order to emphasize that the English-speaking races are not innately better than anyone else and that totalitarianism, if not fought against, could triumph anywhere.” I agree with him. It could. We must protect democracy. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (09 Aug 2023 11.39pm) I am well aware of the quote. The sentence I have highlighted is very telling. It is exactly the direction that what passes as the left these days is moving in. I think he would have been amused by the ‘support’ of the likes of you and Steeleye, as you and he are just the sort of lefties that he detested.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 10 Aug 23 7.25am |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
I am well aware of the quote. The sentence I have highlighted is very telling. It is exactly the direction that what passes as the left these days is moving in. I think he would have been amused by the ‘support’ of the likes of you and Steeleye, as you and he are just the sort of lefties that he detested. Steeleye is more than capable of answering for himself but the very fact that you regard me as a “lefty” says so much more about you than it does about me.
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| georgenorman 10 Aug 23 7.36am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Steeleye is more than capable of answering for himself but the very fact that you regard me as a “lefty” says so much more about you than it does about me. That is just the sort of dissembling that Orwell homed in on. Of course you are a 'leftie', people merely need to read your posts to see that.
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| steeleye20 Online Croydon 23 Aug 23 2.40pm |
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Nigel vexed, and who can blame him. Nigel Farage says it is ‘sick joke’ that ex-NatWest boss who quit over his account will get £2.4m pay package.
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Forest Hillbilly  in a hidey-hole 23 Aug 23 2.47pm |
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