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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 30 Aug 23 3.18pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

Yup but it was a while ago. Oh for the record have you seen whatís happening in Africa. Niger and now Gabon being taken over by the military. Despotic regimes. Thatís the way to go. What an amazing example of self rule. South Africa and Zimbabwe need a mention as well. Africa if f***ed.

I think the best that the west should do about Africa is get out of it completely....aside from humanitarianism purely on a voluntary basis.

Leave it to the Chinese and Russians.....it's nothing but a giant money hole.

Invest in Asia.

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I think the best that the west should do about Africa is get out of it completely....aside from humanitarianism purely on a voluntary basis.

Leave it to the Chinese and Russians.....it's nothing but a giant money hole.

Invest in Asia.

Africa is like a giant Notting Hill Carnival.

 

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Originally posted by georgenorman

Africa is like a giant Notting Hill Carnival.

With just slightly more stabbings.

 


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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 30 Aug 23 7.51pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Glazier#1

The current Lod Harewood, David, the 8th Earl Of Harewood:

Harewood House was commissioned by his ancestor Edwin Lascelles in the mid-18th century.

The expensive project was funded by money Edwin's father Henry made in the West Indian sugar trade.

He owned 26 plantations and 3,000 slaves, who were forcibly shipped to the Caribbean to produce sugar, rum, cotton and tobacco for the European market.

Archived documents show the family had plantations in Barbados, Jamaica, Tobago and Grenada.

And they ranked among the top one percent of aristocratic slave-owning families of the late eighteenth and early nineteenth centuries, according to researchers at the University of York.
("experts" are academics who are funded by the taxpayer and have to justify their existence", so we're told)

Lascelles himself said he doesn't feel shame in a personal way but feels "accountable" in some way.

Confronting his past in a new Channel 5 series, he said: "I donít feel that feeling guilty for something you have no involvement with is a helpful emotion.

"I think you need to take responsibility for your own actions. For this I donít feel responsible ó but I feel accountable, I guess.

"You know, thereís nothing you can do to change the past, but you can be active in the present.

"What I am responsible for is what I try to do about that legacy. To try in a small way to make that a force for good today."

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Edited by Glazier#1 (30 Aug 2023 3.24pm)

Who sold him the slaves in Africa ?

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 30 Aug 23 8.16pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

Who sold him the slaves in Africa ?


And even more spicy lets not look into who were mostly handling the slaves once the tribes sold them.....Funny when you look into the merchant class just how often you'd find that it wasn't a Mr Smith or Mr Brown.

 


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Originally posted by georgenorman

Africa is like a giant Notting Hill Carnival.

....nope, because Notting Hill had electricity 24 hours a day.

 


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Ex Tory MP asks to be forgotten. Don't worry dear like the rest of the former MPs you soon will be.

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She has a point though why is she being singled out funny how the university is now all in favour of defending free speech.

 


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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 31 Aug 23 9.28am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Ex Tory MP asks to be forgotten. Don't worry dear like the rest of the former MPs you soon will be.

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She has a point though why is she being singled out funny how the university is now all in favour of defending free speech.

It is ironic to say the least. A bit of personal nimbyism

 

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View silvertop's Profile silvertop Flag Portishead 31 Aug 23 10.29am Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays


And even more spicy lets not look into who were mostly handling the slaves once the tribes sold them.....Funny when you look into the merchant class just how often you'd find that it wasn't a Mr Smith or Mr Brown.

It is a bit more nuanced than that.

Firstly, slavery in Africa was a phenomenon way before we got there; but we made it considerably worse by adding a huge market for them. Mea culpa on that one.

Secondly, there were always tribal wars in Africa. Like slavery, one in the grain of their culture. However, the motive for war altered from being the usual land grab to also people grab in order to feed that insatiable market.

Thirdly, (I know you are talking about something else) the reason there were no Mr Smith of Mr Brown on the ground is because life expectancy was less than a year, largely from malaria. Europeans learned to have others do our dirty work for us.

That said, we didn't force them to go to war, sell their own people for cash etc. African leaders exhibiting pure greed and corruption - never! And while we have white guilt about this, you can bet the Arab world cares not a jot about their much longer history in this crime.

 

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Originally posted by silvertop

It is a bit more nuanced than that.

Firstly, slavery in Africa was a phenomenon way before we got there; but we made it considerably worse by adding a huge market for them. Mea culpa on that one.

Secondly, there were always tribal wars in Africa. Like slavery, one in the grain of their culture. However, the motive for war altered from being the usual land grab to also people grab in order to feed that insatiable market.

Thirdly, (I know you are talking about something else) the reason there were no Mr Smith of Mr Brown on the ground is because life expectancy was less than a year, largely from malaria. Europeans learned to have others do our dirty work for us.

That said, we didn't force them to go to war, sell their own people for cash etc. African leaders exhibiting pure greed and corruption - never! And while we have white guilt about this, you can bet the Arab world cares not a jot about their much longer history in this crime.

Only idiots and fools do.

Here's another example of the lunacy that surrounds anything to do with historic slavery.

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Edited by georgenorman (31 Aug 2023 12.47pm)

 

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Originally posted by georgenorman

Only idiots and fools do.

Here's another example of the lunacy that surrounds anything to do with historic slavery.

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Edited by georgenorman (31 Aug 2023 12.47pm)

I know I have been lazy not looking up a thread, but that article was posted only 2 posts up!

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 31 Aug 23 1.58pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend


It's impossible to atone for past events; it would be better to concentrate on contemporary issues.


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