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View Phil’s Barber's Profile Phil’s Barber Flag Crowborough 16 Sep 23 10.20pm Send a Private Message to Phil’s Barber Add Phil’s Barber as a friend

Originally posted by palace chick

Glad someone else is brave enough to mention how awful Eze was today. Won’t work hard enough in midfield when we played two up top today? And yes to others picking up Mitchell on the first goal allowing the player to control and shoot :-(

Just back from the game.

Yes Eze was poor today. Undoubtedly an exceptional player but was way off it today. Misplaced passes, caught in possession or tackled numerous times and another glaring one on one miss that should’ve put us two nil up and the game to bed.

He wasn’t the only one guilty of misplaced passes and in the first half we gifted the ball back to Villa when we were well placed, time and time again.

Joel was back to being turned inside out again and gifted them an absolute sitter on 18 mins that Johnstone did brilliantly to keep out.

Richards did well but we missed Guehi…similarly Hughes did well but we missed Lerma.

Schlupp ineffective going forward and also him, Ward and Mitchell could not work out how to close down their wide players with Cash & Digne given way too much time and space. If anything I thought Schlupp looked like he was knackered from only 30 mins in.

Mateta did ok and provided a great early cross for our goal but his first touch lets him down far too often for a Premier League player.

Ultimately we paid the price for not being 2-0 up - Eze the main culprit but Ward also missed a sitter when an Andersen knock back put it on a plate for him. Then in the 87th minute some poor defending from Mitchell let Jhon Duran cushion the ball on his chest and get a shot off unchallenged. Why do we switch off like that and concede so many late and costly goals?!

I haven’t seen the penalty / VAR decision yet but Im prepared for MOTD to p*ss me off even more when I do see it.

Back full circle to my opening remark and the point I was responding to made by by palace chick, yes Eze is a great player but he’s not beyond reproach, especially when he has such a poor and error-strewn match such as today.

Edited by Phil’s Barber (16 Sep 2023 10.21pm)

 

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View the silurian's Profile the silurian Flag The garden of England.(not really) 16 Sep 23 10.21pm Send a Private Message to the silurian Add the silurian as a friend

Originally posted by Croydon-Trucker


Agree with you there . There was clearly a Villa player in the box when the penalty was taken and should have been retaken , if Johnstone would have save it they would have check to make sure his feet were on the line . I also thought that VAR was brought in to rectify clear and obvious errors yet it took over 5 min of three of them and they still got it wrong . f***ing joke . The only thing clear and obvious to me is that the Ref and Var are inept , usless, currupt or just plain cheats , and how did that Villa manager not get booked for all the complaining he was doing Roy would have went full psycho on him .

just corrupt, becoming more obvious every week

 

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View CT Charlie's Profile CT Charlie Flag 16 Sep 23 10.26pm Send a Private Message to CT Charlie Add CT Charlie as a friend

On the bright side, we were well organized despite Roy's absence. Except for Richards' almost being caught on the offside goal that was erased, he played well. (Not as well as Guehi, but few do.) Mitchell played his best game in recent memory – one stunning moment excepted. (To be fair, no one's perfect and the goal was near-perfect.)

As others have pointed out, losing Ayew so early put more pressure on Ward, who will be targeted throughout the season. With fresh legs, he remains stout. Stalwart. By the 60th minute, or after a run of games, he is inevitably vulnerable. In the future, we should be bringing Richards in for Ward in the final 20-25 minutes. What Richards lacks in confidence/experience, he'd make up for in pace and athleticism.

Lack of depth hurt us. Schlupp, Ward, Hughes, Edouard, Mateta – almost everyone, really – ran low on energy by the 75th minute. The ref ran low on energy, too. At the beginning of the match, he might been clear-headed enough to listen to VAR and reverse his call.

 

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View Phil’s Barber's Profile Phil’s Barber Flag Crowborough 16 Sep 23 10.56pm Send a Private Message to Phil’s Barber Add Phil’s Barber as a friend

And just to add, that was some of THE worst support for a Home team that I have ever seen.

No atmosphere from the home crowd, zero chanting to get behind their team and the only noise they did make was in the last few minutes once they had scored.

Truly pathetic support for virtually the entire match.

 

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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 16 Sep 23 11.02pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by Phil’s Barber

Just back from the game.

Yes Eze was poor today. Undoubtedly an exceptional player but was way off it today. Misplaced passes, caught in possession or tackled numerous times and another glaring one on one miss that should’ve put us two nil up and the game to bed.

He wasn’t the only one guilty of misplaced passes and in the first half we gifted the ball back to Villa when we were well placed, time and time again.

Joel was back to being turned inside out again and gifted them an absolute sitter on 18 mins that Johnstone did brilliantly to keep out.

Richards did well but we missed Guehi…similarly Hughes did well but we missed Lerma.

Schlupp ineffective going forward and also him, Ward and Mitchell could not work out how to close down their wide players with Cash & Digne given way too much time and space. If anything I thought Schlupp looked like he was knackered from only 30 mins in.

Mateta did ok and provided a great early cross for our goal but his first touch lets him down far too often for a Premier League player.

Ultimately we paid the price for not being 2-0 up - Eze the main culprit but Ward also missed a sitter when an Andersen knock back put it on a plate for him. Then in the 87th minute some poor defending from Mitchell let Jhon Duran cushion the ball on his chest and get a shot off unchallenged. Why do we switch off like that and concede so many late and costly goals?!

I haven’t seen the penalty / VAR decision yet but Im prepared for MOTD to p*ss me off even more when I do see it.

Back full circle to my opening remark and the point I was responding to made by by palace chick, yes Eze is a great player but he’s not beyond reproach, especially when he has such a poor and error-strewn match such as today.

Edited by Phil’s Barber (16 Sep 2023 10.21pm)

Comprehensive and from my recollection, an accurate account of the match.

There were a lot of subpar if not disastrous performances today which you may get away with occasionally but frequently will not.

We’ve a number of key players missing with a thin squad as it is, let alone our manager succumbing to bad health before kick off, but for my money it’s a very poor decision for the penalty which ultimately decided our fate.

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 16 Sep 23 11.12pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Oh it’s not a penalty, nowhere near.

Richards slides but doesn’t go through the player he’s alongside, ball side of him and hooks the ball back.

If that had gone for us I’d of course of been delighted but like to think I’d admit it. He blew immediately then took about 5 minutes to make his mind up. Bollox.

Stone me Lineker and co. agree.

Edited by Nicholas91 (16 Sep 2023 11.13pm)

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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View Phil’s Barber's Profile Phil’s Barber Flag Crowborough 16 Sep 23 11.15pm Send a Private Message to Phil’s Barber Add Phil’s Barber as a friend

How the hell has he stuck by that decision?!

You only need to watch the replay once to see that there is no foul and that Richards touches the ball twice and gets in a great challenge.

Absolutely shocking decision!

 

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View Phil’s Barber's Profile Phil’s Barber Flag Crowborough 16 Sep 23 11.25pm Send a Private Message to Phil’s Barber Add Phil’s Barber as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

Oh it’s not a penalty, nowhere near.

Richards slides but doesn’t go through the player he’s alongside, ball side of him and hooks the ball back.

If that had gone for us I’d of course of been delighted but like to think I’d admit it. He blew immediately then took about 5 minutes to make his mind up. Bollox.

Stone me Lineker and co. agree.

Edited by Nicholas91 (16 Sep 2023 11.13pm)

Yep, the fact that all 3 of them said straight away it wasn’t a pen tells you everything.

How Darren England can watch that back and still think it is a penalty is beyond me.

There’s a very obvious reason why the VAR recommended the referee go to the monitor and I’m amazed he didn’t overturn his on field decision.

We were robbed of a point there and Lineker, Shearer & Murphy clearly agree.

 

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Originally posted by Phil’s Barber

How the hell has he stuck by that decision?!

You only need to watch the replay once to see that there is no foul and that Richards touches the ball twice and gets in a great challenge.

Absolutely shocking decision!

Can only think he is trying to be the one who doesn't do what VAR tell him, wonker

 


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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 17 Sep 23 6.20am Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Elpis


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I was wrong earlier when I said the rules had changed . That came from being informed as such (by another ref) when I mentioned it during another game .

Anyway

Whats going on here is that the refs and linos are not penalising encroachment ,leaving such decisions up to VAR .
VAR instruction (see link) says they dont penalise encroachment unless player becomes directly involved in play

That was Dermot Gallagher's explanation after the West Ham/Chelsea penalty when Soucek encroached - he said, "He has to stop an opponent having a shot at goal or being in a position to do that” . He then glossed over the fact that Soucek actually cleared the ball as incidental because there was no Chelsea player close enough to get to it.
Like with offside encroachment is now a subjective call on interfering with play.

 

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View YT's Profile YT Online Flag Oxford 17 Sep 23 7.51am Send a Private Message to YT Add YT as a friend

Yes it was a woeful penalty decision, however I expect we would have somehow contrived to let Villa grab a winner in some other way before the extra time was through.

The facts are that - yet again - we fail to put clear chances away and - in true Palace style - we have no idea about 'managing a game' when ahead i.e. niggly, rotation fouling, breaking up play and general disruption. You remember - what Arsenal managed to do to us with just 10 men against our 11.

 


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View mtp1958's Profile mtp1958 Flag Grays 17 Sep 23 8.11am Send a Private Message to mtp1958 Add mtp1958 as a friend

the pen if the ref had just stuck with his decision after 1 min on var would say ok maybe wrong but didnt change his mind 20 times before sticking in 5th min ,
yes international break done us no favors expect get Olise closer to playing , to lose 3 key players only the bigger teams can cope with that , tell a lie only man city can cope ,
liked to have seen Joel switched with Richards as Richards has more pace and joel can play CH ,
we wasnt at the races only 6 shots says it all ,
these games happen so i wont read to much into it , next game we will be a different team with home support COYP

 

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