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Hrolf The Ganger 06 Oct 23 1.34pm
Originally posted by PalazioVecchio shoving female pundits into football has little to do with 'selling football to a female audience'. the demographic of a stadium crowd is what ? 95% male ? similar then on the sofa at home. Car mechanics, Judo clubs, & football fans.....girls are welcome in theory, in practice they are not that interested. The mass media are on another one of their gender-bender crusades. That is all it is. And little else. Trying to ensure that gender-enclaves do not exist. Maybe they should try their social-engineering at a local Religious Building ? ( non Christian ) Edited by PalazioVecchio (06 Oct 2023 12.55pm) You don't think money is involved? That would be a rare. It is the answer to 99% of questions.
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06 Oct 23 1.34pm

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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

shoving female pundits into football has little to do with 'selling football to a female audience'.

the demographic of a stadium crowd is what ? 95% male ? similar then on the sofa at home.

Car mechanics, Judo clubs, & football fans.....girls are welcome in theory, in practice they are not that interested.

The mass media are on another one of their gender-bender crusades. That is all it is. And little else. Trying to ensure that gender-enclaves do not exist.

Maybe they should try their social-engineering at a local Religious Building ? ( non Christian )

Edited by PalazioVecchio (06 Oct 2023 12.55pm)

You don't think money is involved?

That would be a rare. It is the answer to 99% of questions.

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Midlands Eagle 06 Oct 23 1.34pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger We can agree that a better standard of pundit is required, but football coverage suffers from far too much talk in any case. When you have to talk at length about men kicking a ball around a field, it must be quite hard to avoid talking bollocks. In the good ole days the commentator's job was to identify the player on the ball and very little else and I wish that we could go back to those days
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

We can agree that a better standard of pundit is required, but football coverage suffers from far too much talk in any case.
When you have to talk at length about men kicking a ball around a field, it must be quite hard to avoid talking bollocks.

In the good ole days the commentator's job was to identify the player on the ball and very little else and I wish that we could go back to those days

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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 06 Oct 23 1.39pm
Originally posted by PalazioVecchio shoving female pundits into football has little to do with 'selling football to a female audience'. the demographic of a stadium crowd is what ? 95% male ? similar then on the sofa at home. Car mechanics, Judo clubs, & football fans.....girls are welcome in theory, in practice they are not that interested. The mass media are on another one of their gender-bender crusades. That is all it is. And little else. Trying to ensure that gender-enclaves do not exist. Maybe they should try their social-engineering at a local Religious Building ? ( non Christian ) Edited by PalazioVecchio (06 Oct 2023 12.55pm) Whilst that is certainly true in some professions, the surge in interest in women's football (including at grassroots) would suggest that's not the case here... and so if it's fine in theory, what's the issue?
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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

shoving female pundits into football has little to do with 'selling football to a female audience'.

the demographic of a stadium crowd is what ? 95% male ? similar then on the sofa at home.

Car mechanics, Judo clubs, & football fans.....girls are welcome in theory, in practice they are not that interested.

The mass media are on another one of their gender-bender crusades. That is all it is. And little else. Trying to ensure that gender-enclaves do not exist.

Maybe they should try their social-engineering at a local Religious Building ? ( non Christian )

Edited by PalazioVecchio (06 Oct 2023 12.55pm)

Whilst that is certainly true in some professions, the surge in interest in women's football (including at grassroots) would suggest that's not the case here... and so if it's fine in theory, what's the issue?

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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 06 Oct 23 1.42pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Not horrible, just cynical. Especially when they promote it as being about inclusion and equality. It's about selling advertising. Aren't you slightly worried about a world where your politics, morality and rights are at the mercy of the dollar? If we are to really evolve as a species, then maybe that is not the way forward. The wrong people have replaced religious figures, as has been alluded to elsewhere. I'm reminded of the Matthew 21. Jesus entered a temple of prayer and found people buying and selling there. He threw them out. Well Jesus won't save us. Only people with the backbone to save us from ourselves, if such people exist Fair enough - I agree there is some cynicism to it, but it's also just obvious commercial practice. I don't think it has to be either/or. Everything in the world is at the mercy of the dollar - I'm surprised to hear you express such an anti-capitalist sentiment... I can certainly get on board with that.
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SE19 06 Oct 23 1.42pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Not horrible, just cynical. Especially when they promote it as being about inclusion and equality.

It's about selling advertising.

Aren't you slightly worried about a world where your politics, morality and rights are at the mercy of the dollar?

If we are to really evolve as a species, then maybe that is not the way forward.
The wrong people have replaced religious figures, as has been alluded to elsewhere.
I'm reminded of the Matthew 21. Jesus entered a temple of prayer and found people buying and selling there. He threw them out.

Well Jesus won't save us. Only people with the backbone to save us from ourselves, if such people exist

Fair enough - I agree there is some cynicism to it, but it's also just obvious commercial practice. I don't think it has to be either/or.

Everything in the world is at the mercy of the dollar - I'm surprised to hear you express such an anti-capitalist sentiment... I can certainly get on board with that.

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Hrolf The Ganger 06 Oct 23 1.46pm
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle In the good ole days the commentator's job was to identify the player on the ball and very little else and I wish that we could go back to those days Yep. Brian Moore (met him once, lovely bloke) was no nonsense, and you got honest answers from players and managers after the game with no interview coaching or politics.
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06 Oct 23 1.46pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

In the good ole days the commentator's job was to identify the player on the ball and very little else and I wish that we could go back to those days

Yep. Brian Moore (met him once, lovely bloke) was no nonsense, and you got honest answers from players and managers after the game with no interview coaching or politics.

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Teddy Eagle 06 Oct 23 1.47pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow Whilst that is certainly true in some professions, the surge in interest in women's football (including at grassroots) would suggest that's not the case here... and so if it's fine in theory, what's the issue? Sky could prove the point by starting a new channel dedicated to women's football, as they have for golf, F1, the NFL, etc, then see how much of the surging interest reflects in the viewing figures.
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06 Oct 23 1.47pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Sky could prove the point by starting a new channel dedicated to women's football, as they have for golf, F1, the NFL, etc, then see how much of the surging interest reflects in the viewing figures.

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Hrolf The Ganger 06 Oct 23 1.48pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow Fair enough - I agree there is some cynicism to it, but it's also just obvious commercial practice. I don't think it has to be either/or. Everything in the world is at the mercy of the dollar - I'm surprised to hear you express such an anti-capitalist sentiment... I can certainly get on board with that. Capitalism is the best system we have, but it must work for the people and should keep its nose out of politics. I'm not naive enough to think that will happen any day soon. It takes a motivation beyond profit.
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06 Oct 23 1.48pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Fair enough - I agree there is some cynicism to it, but it's also just obvious commercial practice. I don't think it has to be either/or.

Everything in the world is at the mercy of the dollar - I'm surprised to hear you express such an anti-capitalist sentiment... I can certainly get on board with that.

Capitalism is the best system we have, but it must work for the people and should keep its nose out of politics.

I'm not naive enough to think that will happen any day soon.
It takes a motivation beyond profit.

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Spiderman Horsham 06 Oct 23 2.04pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Not horrible, just cynical. Especially when they promote it as being about inclusion and equality. It's about selling advertising. Aren't you slightly worried about a world where your politics, morality and rights are at the mercy of the dollar? If we are to really evolve as a species, then maybe that is not the way forward. The wrong people have replaced religious figures, as has been alluded to elsewhere. I'm reminded of the Matthew 21. Jesus entered a temple of prayer and found people buying and selling there. He threw them out. Well Jesus won't save us. Only people with the backbone to save us from ourselves, if such people exist I think he would save us, he is doing very well at Arsenal
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Horsham 06 Oct 23 2.04pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Not horrible, just cynical. Especially when they promote it as being about inclusion and equality.

It's about selling advertising.

Aren't you slightly worried about a world where your politics, morality and rights are at the mercy of the dollar?

Well Jesus won't save us. Only people with the backbone to save us from ourselves, if such people exist

I think he would save us, he is doing very well at Arsenal

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Spiderman Horsham 06 Oct 23 2.06pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow Can’t make it through a game these days without one of Carragher’s famous climate change lectures - him and Micah Richards are forever discussing the political landscape. I don’t subscribe to Sky so don’t have to suffer this. Do they use subtitles by any chance?
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Horsham 06 Oct 23 2.06pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Can’t make it through a game these days without one of Carragher’s famous climate change lectures - him and Micah Richards are forever discussing the political landscape.

I don’t subscribe to Sky so don’t have to suffer this. Do they use subtitles by any chance?

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cryrst Online The garden of England 06 Oct 23 2.09pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow He'll never be able to explain his point because it doesn't make a shred of sense. If it's such a different game, why was he qualified to go and coach the women? Cos he was s*** once
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The garden of England 06 Oct 23 2.09pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

He'll never be able to explain his point because it doesn't make a shred of sense.

If it's such a different game, why was he qualified to go and coach the women?

Cos he was s*** once

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Hrolf The Ganger 06 Oct 23 2.12pm
Originally posted by Spiderman I think he would save us, he is doing very well at Arsenal Where is that badum tish GIF when I need it.
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06 Oct 23 2.12pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

I think he would save us, he is doing very well at Arsenal

Where is that badum tish GIF when I need it.

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Badger11 Beckenham 06 Oct 23 2.33pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow Whilst that is certainly true in some professions, the surge in interest in women's football (including at grassroots) would suggest that's not the case here... and so if it's fine in theory, what's the issue? I'm not sure there is a surge in interest? Sport started in this country with natural evolution from villages playing each other to factories and then an organised structured league. The press only reported it because large crowds attended. Women's football is heavily promoted by the BBC Sky and other media with the reporting on a par with the men's games. However apart from world cup and European Championship the attendance figures for the average women's club game is shall we say average indeed. A typical game is around 2000 people and how many of them have free tickets or put it another way are paying £50 - £100 for a ticket which is standard for the men's games. I am not against it just bored that they are trying to push something onto the public which most of us don't care about. The cart is leading the horse. Edited by Badger11 (06 Oct 2023 2.34pm) One more point
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Beckenham 06 Oct 23 2.33pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

I'm not sure there is a surge in interest?

Sport started in this country with natural evolution from villages playing each other to factories and then an organised structured league. The press only reported it because large crowds attended.

Women's football is heavily promoted by the BBC Sky and other media with the reporting on a par with the men's games. However apart from world cup and European Championship the attendance figures for the average women's club game is shall we say average indeed.

A typical game is around 2000 people and how many of them have free tickets or put it another way are paying £50 - £100 for a ticket which is standard for the men's games.

I am not against it just bored that they are trying to push something onto the public which most of us don't care about. The cart is leading the horse.

Edited by Badger11 (06 Oct 2023 2.34pm)

One more point

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