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PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 24 May 24 1.19pm Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

This sounds all very tightrope to me.

So what do you say to the English people who say they have been pushed out of parts of England by invading ethnicities?

When the British went into NI in the seventies it was to protect Catholic families from unionists. The British weren't going into Eire and oppressing people.

Now if your argument is that the British shouldn't have been in Northern Ireland in the first place....ok, I get that argument but if that's the tune then you must also make that argument for English towns and capitals that are being taken over by the non English.

Edited by Stirlingsays (24 May 2024 1.15pm)

the British 'taking' of Northern Ireland pre-dates the European 'taking' of Manhatten, NY. from the local Indian tribes.

Some thefts cannot subsequently be undone. A United Ireland makes as much sense as flattening the skyscrapers of Manhatten and re-granting hunting rights to a few fellas in wooden canoes.

interestingly....the word 'Manhatten' means a place for getting good wood to make bows & arrows.

 


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PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 24 May 24 1.25pm Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

When the British went into NI in the seventies it was to protect Catholic families from unionists. The British weren't going into Eire and oppressing people.


Edited by Stirlingsays (24 May 2024 1.15pm)

correct. Unionists who were operating an apartheid state-let. With pogroms, economic discrimination and the burning-out of whole Catholic streets. A bit like Israel in Palestine.

 


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EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 24 May 24 1.39pm Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

This sounds all very tightrope to me.

So what do you say to the English people who say they have been pushed out of parts of England by invading ethnicities?

When the British went into NI in the seventies it was to protect Catholic families from unionists. The British weren't going into Eire and oppressing people.

Now if your argument is that the British shouldn't have been in Northern Ireland in the first place....ok, I get that argument but if that's the tune then you must also make that argument for English towns and capitals that are being taken over by the non English.

Edited by Stirlingsays (24 May 2024 1.15pm)

I would’ve thought it’s quite evident that the use of a state military force to enter an area is not remotely comparable to immigration of civilians. That’s an incredibly weak comparison.

You’ve done this before on this thread; tried to conflate the ‘plight’ of English people who have had to contend with high immigration rates into the country, with those who are under military occupation - I don’t think it stacks up at all.

 

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PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 24 May 24 3.01pm Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

I would’ve thought it’s quite evident that the use of a state military force to enter an area is not remotely comparable to immigration of civilians. That’s an incredibly weak comparison.

You’ve done this before on this thread; tried to conflate the ‘plight’ of English people who have had to contend with high immigration rates into the country, with those who are under military occupation - I don’t think it stacks up at all.

as usual, you fail to get the subtleties of Sterling's argument.

A country can be invaded by an army- something very familiar from history. Conversely, you can get women & children all arriving but escorted by a foreign military force ( Israel into Gaza).

Or your own forces can 'escort' some invaders.....currently in Ireland which is getting thousands of unvetted military age men arriving in buses to every village.

Sterling is referring to towns in England where the English flag, language, and identity have all been demoted to subservient. That therefore, is not immigration but is an invasion. As a former immigrant into the UK ( from Ireland) both myself and presumably your Irish parents always tip their hat to the monarch , the State and the status quo. Unlike many newcomers who burn poppies, behead soldiers, and seem intent on raising a ruckus.

 


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EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 24 May 24 3.07pm Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

as usual, you fail to get the subtleties of Sterling's argument.

A country can be invaded by an army- something very familiar from history. Conversely, you can get women & children all arriving but escorted by a foreign military force ( Israel into Gaza).

Or your own forces can 'escort' some invaders.....currently in Ireland which is getting thousands of unvetted military age men arriving in buses to every village.

Sterling is referring to towns in England where the English flag, language, and identity have all been demoted to subservient. That therefore, is not immigration but is an invasion. As a former immigrant into the UK ( from Ireland) both myself and presumably your Irish parents always tip their hat to the monarch , the State and the status quo. Unlike many newcomers who burn poppies, behead soldiers, and seem intent on raising a ruckus.

I don’t fail to get it, I’m saying I don’t agree with it - comparing immigration with a military occupation is complete nonsense anywhere outside of a tabloid front page. Palestinian civilians are dying in their tens of thousands, millions displaced with no access to food, aid, healthcare - whatever your views on immigration, to make any equivalence between what Palestinians are currently experiencing and what British citizens are is beyond ridiculous.

And my parents certainly don’t tip their hat to any monarchy.

 

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International Court of Justice today.

The ICJ has made several orders including for Israel to:

1. Halt military operation in Rafah.

2. Open the Rafah border crossing with Egypt for the entry of humanitarian aid at scale.

3.Eensure access to Gaza for investigators and fact-finding missions.

4. Report to the court within a month on its progress in applying these measures.

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 24 May 24 4.00pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

I would’ve thought it’s quite evident that the use of a state military force to enter an area is not remotely comparable to immigration of civilians. That’s an incredibly weak comparison.

You’ve done this before on this thread; tried to conflate the ‘plight’ of English people who have had to contend with high immigration rates into the country, with those who are under military occupation - I don’t think it stacks up at all.


It was you who commented on the Ireland comparison and that is why I mentioned the English issue as while I agree that of course it isn't a like for like the reality is that the end result on the ground....the replacement of one people for another is the same.

So for me your dismissal has issues as it seems to only be concerned.....not about the land taken from one people for another but the violence aspect.

Well, the large scale violence aspect in terms of Ireland literally happened in the 17th Century......Something I'm not proud of but hardly the fault of the modern day.

So it seems to me that if you are going to recognise the resentment, if not the violence itself of the Irish towards the British for the loss of their land then it seems to be rather....selective and one eyed to dismiss what's happening to the English now.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 24 May 24 4.05pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

the British 'taking' of Northern Ireland pre-dates the European 'taking' of Manhatten, NY. from the local Indian tribes.

Some thefts cannot subsequently be undone. A United Ireland makes as much sense as flattening the skyscrapers of Manhatten and re-granting hunting rights to a few fellas in wooden canoes.

interestingly....the word 'Manhatten' means a place for getting good wood to make bows & arrows.

I think that at some point in the future a united Ireland will probably happen....However, we both know that Ireland....north or south has an existential fight on its hands to actually remain Irish.

They are being traitored by their elites just as we are.

The elites who are replacing the native Irish are the same neoliberals replacing the English.....and noises are being made up in Scotland too.

We will see if Conor McGregor wins the presidency next year....that would be the kind of two fingers the smug overlords deserve for their immigration policy.

Edited by Stirlingsays (24 May 2024 4.08pm)

 


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Originally posted by steeleye20

International Court of Justice today.

The ICJ has made several orders including for Israel to:

1. Halt military operation in Rafah.

2. Open the Rafah border crossing with Egypt for the entry of humanitarian aid at scale.

3.Eensure access to Gaza for investigators and fact-finding missions.

4. Report to the court within a month on its progress in applying these measures.

This strikes me as the ICC trying to compromise with their main funders in the west. The first two would probably be acceptable to the Biden administration who desperately want the war over with six months to go before an election vote.

When you look at who funds the ICC the US don't appear in the top ten and aren't signed up to it.....I imagine this is the only reason they are coming out so strongly on Gaza.

What they ask for is obviously the humanitarian thing to do.

However, it would be suicide for old Netty.....He's probably going to string this out for as long as he can....as the whole point is to ethnically cleanse.

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays


It was you who commented on the Ireland comparison and that is why I mentioned the English issue as while I agree that of course it isn't a like for like the reality is that the end result on the ground....the replacement of one people for another is the same.

So for me your dismissal has issues as it seems to only be concerned.....not about the land taken from one people for another but the violence aspect.

Well, the large scale violence aspect in terms of Ireland literally happened in the 17th Century......Something I'm not proud of but hardly the fault of the modern day.

So it seems to me that if you are going to recognise the resentment, if not the violence itself of the Irish towards the British for the loss of their land then it seems to be rather....selective and one eyed to dismiss what's happening to the English now.

I vaguely explained why the Irish are generally sympathetic to occupied people around the world, which is obvious.

That whole argument is based on a logic that immigration is equivalent in outcome to military occupation, which I think is utter nonsense.

 

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For my opinion on Palestine and Ireland, I think they need to realise that HAMAS are nothing like the PLO and that Jews are not all rabid Zionists. But I won't hold my breath as I think the constant victim mentality and blaming Britain for everything - as a go to position is wearing a bit thin with everyone - particularly the people. The people who are about to vote them out en masse. Sinn Fein majority will likely mean more of the same - probably worse. I just hope sincerely the next government can house Irish people and maybe give us some kind of healthcare. Third World services whilst posturing about being rich and virtuous is literally taking the piss. Or paying and being put on a waiting list in order to take the piss at some stage next year. Or in the case of housing - in maybe 10-20 years time. I have a friend who's been homeless for 32 years - living in various hostels. He's getting housed now. Bully for him - no joke. Obviously he's an Irish guy so he's not a priority.

 


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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

I vaguely explained why the Irish are generally sympathetic to occupied people around the world, which is obvious.

That whole argument is based on a logic that immigration is equivalent in outcome to military occupation, which I think is utter nonsense.

So let's get this straight.

In your head if the Jews had just all immigrated into Palestine and took over whole areas of Palestine without any force then the Palestinians living there would have no justification for either violence or resentment?

Just as long as the rulers (in that case the British) ensured that no violence happened at the time of the occupation....or sorry, immigration.

Edited by Stirlingsays (24 May 2024 4.31pm)

 


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