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View MrRobbo's Profile MrRobbo Flag Purley 29 Nov 23 9.35am Send a Private Message to MrRobbo Add MrRobbo as a friend

The OPs article does start an interesting discussion though.

Statistically we are pretty boring, similar league positions, similar points total, similar early cup exits (except for 1).

It would be very easy to say what's the point. But that's such a macro view. Granted we are not fighting for titles, but week to week things are still interesting. Can we put a couple of results together, can we get our best team out. And generally the games are reasonably good to watch. We are also witnessing a relatively rare occurrence, having a few England players.


On a side note, my best mate is a ManC fan, had a season ticket for about 20 years, but stopped going about 4 years ago. Why? Its boring when you win every week, and expect to be winning every game 4-0.

Its all relative.

 

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View taylors lovechild's Profile taylors lovechild Flag 29 Nov 23 10.29am Send a Private Message to taylors lovechild Add taylors lovechild as a friend

I think for me the issue this season has been that I can't see what it is we trying to do in terms of our forward play. We're not playing a fast high-pressing game like Wolves, we're not playing an old-fashioned get it to the wings and throw crosses in like Everton, and we're not playing intricate fancy sh*t like the big guns. It almost feels like we're just waiting for someone to create something out of nothing. In Roy's previous reign it was about sitting deep and hitting teams on the break, but that isn't really in evidence this season. It seems basically that we get it to Ayew, he draws a foul, we throw the ball in the box. As useless as Eduoard has been in most games he's been feeding off of scraps.

This season the 15 points has masked how rubbish we've been in many games. If Roy isn't going to play the players we've signed then the club need to decide do they want to keep Roy or do they want his input on who they sign. I can't see how things change otherwise.

 

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View NEILLO's Profile NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 29 Nov 23 11.15am Send a Private Message to NEILLO Add NEILLO as a friend

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

I think for me the issue this season has been that I can't see what it is we trying to do in terms of our forward play. We're not playing a fast high-pressing game like Wolves, we're not playing an old-fashioned get it to the wings and throw crosses in like Everton, and we're not playing intricate fancy sh*t like the big guns. It almost feels like we're just waiting for someone to create something out of nothing. In Roy's previous reign it was about sitting deep and hitting teams on the break, but that isn't really in evidence this season. It seems basically that we get it to Ayew, he draws a foul, we throw the ball in the box. As useless as Eduoard has been in most games he's been feeding off of scraps.

This season the 15 points has masked how rubbish we've been in many games. If Roy isn't going to play the players we've signed then the club need to decide do they want to keep Roy or do they want his input on who they sign. I can't see how things change otherwise.

We can't play on the break if there's no pace in the team. Only Olise,and to a lesser extent Edouard, possess genuine pace but that's it.

 


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View taylors lovechild's Profile taylors lovechild Flag 29 Nov 23 11.37am Send a Private Message to taylors lovechild Add taylors lovechild as a friend

Originally posted by NEILLO

We can't play on the break if there's no pace in the team. Only Olise,and to a lesser extent Edouard, possess genuine pace but that's it.

I agree, but then what exactly is the plan? I think too much burden is placed on Olise and Eze to just come up with something like Zaha used to do under Roy. We defend as a unit but we don't seem to attack like one. I've said it before, but Andros has previously said how Roy doesn't work on the attacking side of the game in training and I do think that shows.

 

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View palace chick's Profile palace chick Flag South Croydon 29 Nov 23 12.05pm Send a Private Message to palace chick Add palace chick as a friend

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

I think for me the issue this season has been that I can't see what it is we trying to do in terms of our forward play. We're not playing a fast high-pressing game like Wolves, we're not playing an old-fashioned get it to the wings and throw crosses in like Everton, and we're not playing intricate fancy sh*t like the big guns. It almost feels like we're just waiting for someone to create something out of nothing. In Roy's previous reign it was about sitting deep and hitting teams on the break, but that isn't really in evidence this season. It seems basically that we get it to Ayew, he draws a foul, we throw the ball in the box. As useless as Eduoard has been in most games he's been feeding off of scraps.

This season the 15 points has masked how rubbish we've been in many games. If Roy isn't going to play the players we've signed then the club need to decide do they want to keep Roy or do they want his input on who they sign. I can't see how things change otherwise.

Agreed with most other than Ayew drawing a foul part. When he does that it normally ends up back with our keeper. Now that is boring. After all these seasons in the prem and before we leave it, it would have been great to have got some silverware and/or European games to remember? I wonder if being an up and down club like West Brom would be better for us fans. Iím sure Leicester fans are enjoying this season as are some of the other near the top championship clubs?

 

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View CrazyBadger's Profile CrazyBadger Flag Ware 29 Nov 23 1.15pm Send a Private Message to CrazyBadger Add CrazyBadger as a friend

"what is the point of what Palace are doing in the PL. No goals, no entertainment but just enough points to bob along in mid-table"
Give over. We're a smallish club - whos tried to push on in a financially responsible manner.

FdB was brought in to change the playing style (evolution not revolution, remember)
that ultimately failed, so we fell back on RH, who did great with what we had initially, but for whatever reason - probably that financially responsible mindset - kicked in and we didn't ever upgrade the squad got more and more out of date and we revert to safety first 'boring' football
Vieira was then brought in for another go at a young exiting manager.
That ultimately failed, so we fell back on RH, who did great with what we had initially. Then Injuries happen and we revert to safety first 'boring' football.

Are we boring? when necessity calls for it.


Edited by CrazyBadger (29 Nov 2023 1.15pm)

 


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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 29 Nov 23 1.15pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

I think for me the issue this season has been that I can't see what it is we trying to do in terms of our forward play. We're not playing a fast high-pressing game like Wolves, we're not playing an old-fashioned get it to the wings and throw crosses in like Everton, and we're not playing intricate fancy sh*t like the big guns. It almost feels like we're just waiting for someone to create something out of nothing. In Roy's previous reign it was about sitting deep and hitting teams on the break, but that isn't really in evidence this season. It seems basically that we get it to Ayew, he draws a foul, we throw the ball in the box. As useless as Eduoard has been in most games he's been feeding off of scraps.

This season the 15 points has masked how rubbish we've been in many games. If Roy isn't going to play the players we've signed then the club need to decide do they want to keep Roy or do they want his input on who they sign. I can't see how things change otherwise.

That someone was Wilfried Zaha and is now a shared responsibility between Eberechi Eze and Michael Olise. One is now injured again and the other did produce something upon return, but we can't even keep it out of our own net these days.

Very limited supply of goals coupled with an inability to keep them out is a recipe for disaster. If Roy cannot deliver the latter, his limitations with the former are irrelevant where that was the primary gripe previously.

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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View taylors lovechild's Profile taylors lovechild Flag 29 Nov 23 1.34pm Send a Private Message to taylors lovechild Add taylors lovechild as a friend

Originally posted by CrazyBadger

"what is the point of what Palace are doing in the PL. No goals, no entertainment but just enough points to bob along in mid-table"
Give over. We're a smallish club - whos tried to push on in a financially responsible manner.

FdB was brought in to change the playing style (evolution not revolution, remember)
that ultimately failed, so we fell back on RH, who did great with what we had initially, but for whatever reason - probably that financially responsible mindset - kicked in and we didn't ever upgrade the squad got more and more out of date and we revert to safety first 'boring' football
Vieira was then brought in for another go at a young exiting manager.
That ultimately failed, so we fell back on RH, who did great with what we had initially. Then Injuries happen and we revert to safety first 'boring' football.

Are we boring? when necessity calls for it.


Edited by CrazyBadger (29 Nov 2023 1.15pm)

I think perhaps the problem is that Vieira's first season gave us a glimpse of how well a small club like us can perform. More confident and braver in possession, playing with a more positive mindset, etc. In his second season he seemed to lose his courage of convictions and he and the team went into its shell. Thn Roy came in only needing a handful of points to secure safety, promptly got them against lesser opposition and we could relax and let our forward players have some fun.

Personally I don't think Roy changes his approach with the injuries, I just think when the creative players are out it shows his lack of tactics for the forward areas. Also, when you aren't scoring maybe you need to take a risk and play the £20m forward the club signed, or the athletic £10m signing from the Bundesliga. It might not work, but you can't argue there are no options, he's just not using them. Alternatively you change the shape, like going 3-5-2. I don't think we need to be boring, I just think we have a manager who doesn't care about performances, just results, which is fair enough if you just want to watch the Vidiprinter.

 

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View Lanzo-Ad's Profile Lanzo-Ad Flag Lanzarote 29 Nov 23 1.36pm Send a Private Message to Lanzo-Ad Add Lanzo-Ad as a friend

Look at the teams outside the top 4 or 5, i dont see anyone playing "entertaining" football, if Andersen, Guehi, Doucoure, Eze and Olise were all fit then we would be playing like we finished last season, all five of them would get into any team, Except maybe Man City, but we have had all 5 playing together 49 minutes all season, and you cant expect their standings to be nothing but average, get real FFS

 


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View CrazyBadger's Profile CrazyBadger Flag Ware 29 Nov 23 1.45pm Send a Private Message to CrazyBadger Add CrazyBadger as a friend

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

I think perhaps the problem is that Vieira's first season gave us a glimpse of how well a small club like us can perform. More confident and braver in possession, playing with a more positive mindset, etc. In his second season he seemed to lose his courage of convictions and he and the team went into its shell. Thn Roy came in only needing a handful of points to secure safety, promptly got them against lesser opposition and we could relax and let our forward players have some fun.

Personally I don't think Roy changes his approach with the injuries, I just think when the creative players are out it shows his lack of tactics for the forward areas. Also, when you aren't scoring maybe you need to take a risk and play the £20m forward the club signed, or the athletic £10m signing from the Bundesliga. It might not work, but you can't argue there are no options, he's just not using them. Alternatively you change the shape, like going 3-5-2. I don't think we need to be boring, I just think we have a manager who doesn't care about performances, just results, which is fair enough if you just want to watch the Vidiprinter.

I Agree that RH could perhaps try other options when the tried and tested options are out - but he has given people like Franca, JRS and Ahamada time on the pitch, and they haven't impressed him.
My point really was that the gist of that statement was that we are simply treading water where in reality we've tried to push on, failed, then tried again and again failed. Long term, we're not actively out to stay mid table, but it's nice that that is our resting position.
What concerns me is that this cannot continue - RH cannot continue to be reemployed to steady the ship. We need to understand why those attempts failed.

 


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View Davepalace707's Profile Davepalace707 Flag Northumberland 29 Nov 23 2.12pm Send a Private Message to Davepalace707 Add Davepalace707 as a friend

Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad

Look at the teams outside the top 4 or 5, i dont see anyone playing "entertaining" football, if Andersen, Guehi, Doucoure, Eze and Olise were all fit then we would be playing like we finished last season, all five of them would get into any team, Except maybe Man City, but we have had all 5 playing together 49 minutes all season, and you cant expect their standings to be nothing but average, get real FFS

Agree with this. Problem atm is we arenít boring enough at the wrong end of the pitchÖ

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Online Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 29 Nov 23 2.22pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

I have spoken to a supporter of a certain vintage who is unlikely to be mistaken for a sunbeam and could be filled under "Moaning Minnie".I am NOT in his league in terms of pessimism !

This chap bellowed that he would like the team to be relegated, citing that he has had enough of mid-table mediocrity and witnessing only a clutch of Home wins each season.He added that season-on-season he is devoid of any entertainment whatsoever and it would be nice if we actually emerged victorious in more games without of course being subjected to VAR.

Beetroot-gilled he continued that he is fed-up with the team "Treading water" in the PL season-on-season and it would be really nice to see us on the crest of a wave.

This gentleman is a fusty old eccentric.

Edited by Willo (29 Nov 2023 2.33pm)

 

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