You are here: Home > Message Board > Palace Talk > Crystal Palace v Luton match thread
July 23 2024 5.44am

Crystal Palace v Luton match thread

Previous Topic | Next Topic


Page 15 of 21 < 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 >

 

View The groover's Profile The groover Flag Danbury 10 Mar 24 8.52am Send a Private Message to The groover Add The groover as a friend

We did more than enough to win at a canter. First time shots from Michell and ayew could have done the job. Mateta though 1 on 1, Eze's shot, Edouads shot I could go on.

It was just another "one of those games"

 

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 10 Mar 24 9.13am Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by PatrickA

In the press conference Glasner said we didn't put enough pressure on Townsend when he received the ball, specifically referring to our players becoming sidetracked by the full back overlapping outside Townsend.
The lack of challenge enabled Townsend to cut inside (as we know he does) and pick his cross by which time Luton had a number of runners ready to attack the delivered ball in the box.
Rewatching the video it's clear Glasner has Mitchell in mind.
Instead of putting Townsend under immediate pressure he runs away from him to track the full back on the outside (which Glasner didn't seem to view as a threat).

Eze should have closed him down and half turned his back

 

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
View PatrickA's Profile PatrickA Flag London 10 Mar 24 9.21am Send a Private Message to PatrickA Add PatrickA as a friend


That was my initial thought, but Glasner appeared to see it differently.
Mitchell was closest to Townsend when he received it and ran away from him to follow the full back instead of putting in a challenge.
He may have assumed that Eze would close down Townsend.

Originally posted by Spiderman

Eze should have closed him down and half turned his back

 

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
View dreamwaverider's Profile dreamwaverider Flag London 10 Mar 24 9.24am Send a Private Message to dreamwaverider Add dreamwaverider as a friend

Mitchell is going to need time if he is going to adjust to his new role. Yesterday, his ball control, positional sense and correction were notably lacking on various occasions. There were however glimpses that he may make it with coaching assistance.
The biggest thing he lacks is self belief. If he could only master that as opposed to constantly looking like a rabbit caught in headlights, then maybe our other players would respond and start using him more often.
If this can be overcome, either by Mitchell improving this season or a new LWB for next, it will help balance our defence better.
In the meantime it is very pleasing to see Munoz shaping up well at RWB. Once he adapts fully to the premier, he will progress into a very good player, despite the fact that yesterday he was one of our best players.

 

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
View HKOwen's Profile HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 10 Mar 24 9.44am Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

Andros was allowed to use his left foot which we know is good, Glasner is right, Mitchell should have shown him outside, if he passed back to the full back unlikely such as good cross would have come in.

It's a lesson,

Should have, could have didn't

 


Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
View Eaglecoops's Profile Eaglecoops Flag CR3 10 Mar 24 9.54am Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

Every Palace fan knows Andros canít go past anyone that can move faster than snail pace and his one party piece is to cut inside and whip the ball in whether that be a shot or cross.

If we all know that then you are pretty certain the players know it, so the one thing you do in the last 15 of the match particularly is stop him cutting inside. It was a poor goal to give away,

The game should have been put to bed though a long time before the equaliser so we only have our lack of ruthless finishing to blame for the draw.

On the positive side we bossed the match for large periods and our overall play looks considerably better than a month ago.

 

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
View Adrift's Profile Adrift Flag Creepy Crawley 10 Mar 24 9.57am Send a Private Message to Adrift Add Adrift as a friend

How annoying that was

I see differences in play, having Munoz allows 3 at the back, we have a higher press (not that pressing was ever much of a thing under Hodgson), far less across the park looking for an opening but the main issue is still there, it falls apart when the subs come on.

I'm pretty sure Hughes was a good attacking midfielder at Watford with Viera changing him to CM/DM to suit his needs, I don't think he's that effective in that position, that for sure needs a rethink. I'd also put him on the powder for strength

I'd like to see Ozoh at the end of the games he appears to have the strength for that role and certainly the energy

Glasner reads all my posts so that will happen at the next game

 

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
View Palacesince64's Profile Palacesince64 Flag Edinburgh 10 Mar 24 10.00am Send a Private Message to Palacesince64 Add Palacesince64 as a friend

Originally posted by HKOwen

Andros was allowed to use his left foot which we know is good, Glasner is right, Mitchell should have shown him outside, if he passed back to the full back unlikely such as good cross would have come in.

It's a lesson,

Should have, could have didn't

Glasner didnít specify which player or players were at fault for not pressing. Mitchell made a choice to go with the full back. With hindsight that may have been the wrong decision especially given Ezeís feeble attempt to block the cross. If Mitchell opts to attack the ball and let the full back go then he has to assume the left sided central defender is going to come out to cover the overlap. If he goes with the full back he has to assume Eze is going to attack Townsend. He was probably on a loser whichever decision he made. It does illustrate how exposed Mitchell is on that left hand side compared with Munoz who has Ayew providing cover.

 

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
View Pete53's Profile Pete53 Flag Hassocks 10 Mar 24 10.02am Send a Private Message to Pete53 Add Pete53 as a friend

Originally posted by dreamwaverider

Mitchell is going to need time if he is going to adjust to his new role. Yesterday, his ball control, positional sense and correction were notably lacking on various occasions. There were however glimpses that he may make it with coaching assistance.
The biggest thing he lacks is self belief. If he could only master that as opposed to constantly looking like a rabbit caught in headlights, then maybe our other players would respond and start using him more often.
If this can be overcome, either by Mitchell improving this season or a new LWB for next, it will help balance our defence better.

I recall that in his early days in the first team, if going forward, he would always look to find Wilf ( probably on Zaha's instructions) and looked very ill at ease once over the half-way line. His forward game has actually improved and he can make some very incisive passes. He needs to bring a bit more consistency to his game, and as you suggest, self-belief may be an issue.

 

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
View southnorwoodhill's Profile southnorwoodhill Flag 10 Mar 24 10.12am Send a Private Message to southnorwoodhill Add southnorwoodhill as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

Eze should have closed him down and half turned his back

His attempts at closing down or tackling are always half hearted. It will be interesting to see what Glasner expects and demands of him. Personally I think Eze is a player who although blessed with great skill, unfortunately has had a string of injury setbacks from which he takes a while to get back to full speed, therefore we get to see his true potential and ability only in a limited number of games.

 

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
View Glazier#1's Profile Glazier#1 Flag 10 Mar 24 10.14am Send a Private Message to Glazier#1 Add Glazier#1 as a friend

Originally posted by PatrickA

In the press conference Glasner said we didn't put enough pressure on Townsend when he received the ball, specifically referring to our players becoming sidetracked by the full back overlapping outside Townsend.

The lack of challenge enabled Townsend to cut inside (as we know he does) and pick his cross by which time Luton had a number of runners ready to attack the delivered ball in the box.
Rewatching the video it's clear Glasner has Mitchell in mind.
Instead of putting Townsend under immediate pressure he runs away from him to track the full back on the outside (which Glasner didn't seem to view as a threat).

It may seem to you that OG had Mitchell in mind but not to me. There were two Luton attackers threatening down the RH side with two Palace Players, TM and Ebs in attendance. What ensued was a situation we've seen countless times in matches and if we have, then TM and Ebs have too:

The winger overlaps in order to draw the LB out wide, leaving space for Andros. The full back must go with the winger, and he assumes that the other defender, Ebs, will then take Andros: it's simple.

What followed was a clear case, imo, of Ebs not doing his defensive duty. Instead of seeing the wide player and anticipating that he will need to close Andros down, he remains where he is. By the time Andros receives the ball, he has all the time in the world to decide what he wants to do and we all know what that is going to be: get the ball on his left and cross into the area.

Ebs not only didn't respond quickly enough and close him down but, when Andros did make the cross, he made that silly, half-hearted attempt to block the cross by doing that sort of balletic, one leg in the air while I turn my back job: defensively non-existent.

In short, there were two attackers vs two defenders and it should have been dealt with if both had done their job.

Mitchell did, Ebs didn't.

Can you imagine the cartloads of crap Tyrick would've taken on here if he'd let the attacker go without tracking him?

I love Ebs but in the modern game, when we defend, we all should be doing the job to defend in all areas of the pitch until we regain possession.

All the best teams do it and managers expect it, or else they find someone who will.

As has been said, if Pep saw one of his hugely talented players not carrying out their responsibilities, he'd drop them for someone who does.

We don't have that luxury, sure, but that doesn't mean Ebs is immune to his duties, does it?

Just my opinion, the way I saw it, PA.

Edited by Glazier#1 (10 Mar 2024 10.42am)

 

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
View thegreatlardino's Profile thegreatlardino Flag crawley/selsey 10 Mar 24 10.17am Send a Private Message to thegreatlardino Add thegreatlardino as a friend

compared to the drivel we have been seeing this was a lot better, their goal was just one of those things, on another day it wouldnt have gone in...onwards and upwards..

 


Sometimes I set out for Ludlow
Sometimes I end up in Chepstow

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply

 

Page 15 of 21 < 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 >

Previous Topic | Next Topic

You are here: Home > Message Board > Palace Talk > Crystal Palace v Luton match thread