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View NEILLO's Profile NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 10 Mar 24 10.22am Send a Private Message to NEILLO Add NEILLO as a friend

Well, that was another frustrating end to a game and more points thrown away.

A bit more composure in front of goal and Palace would have won comfortably. Too often bad decision making in the final third saw chances go to waste.

A couple of my observations ;

Munoz disappointed me in the second half. He sold himself by going too soon against his opponent and got skinned on a number of occasions. Needs to calm that Latin temperament. When attacking he started to cut the ball back onto his weaker foot rather than playing the early ball across the face of goal.

Palace were still chasing a second goal deep into time added on. Better game management required, Luton had far too much space to exploit for their goal.

 


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View Adrift's Profile Adrift Flag Creepy Crawley 10 Mar 24 10.27am Send a Private Message to Adrift Add Adrift as a friend

Originally posted by HKOwen

Andros was allowed to use his left foot which we know is good, Glasner is right, Mitchell should have shown him outside, if he passed back to the full back unlikely such as good cross would have come in.

It's a lesson,

Should have, could have didn't

Is more than a lesson its basic full backing.

If you show a winger the outside he has to run past you and a left footed right winger will be showing the fb the ball

In the event he had a runner going past him that he had to cover giving Townsend the chance to go inside. He should've been picked by Eze who basically makes less than a token attempt to deal with it

The whole move started with Ahamada being needlessly caught on the ball

Of the 3 of them Mitchell wasn't the worst


 

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View dreamwaverider's Profile dreamwaverider Flag London 10 Mar 24 10.40am Send a Private Message to dreamwaverider Add dreamwaverider as a friend

Originally posted by Adrift

How annoying that was

I see differences in play, having Munoz allows 3 at the back, we have a higher press (not that pressing was ever much of a thing under Hodgson), far less across the park looking for an opening but the main issue is still there, it falls apart when the subs come on.

I'm pretty sure Hughes was a good attacking midfielder at Watford with Viera changing him to CM/DM to suit his needs, I don't think he's that effective in that position, that for sure needs a rethink. I'd also put him on the powder for strength

I'd like to see Ozoh at the end of the games he appears to have the strength for that role and certainly the energy

Glasner reads all my posts so that will happen at the next game


Edited by dreamwaverider (10 Mar 2024 10.40am)

 

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View Glazier#1's Profile Glazier#1 Flag 10 Mar 24 10.45am Send a Private Message to Glazier#1 Add Glazier#1 as a friend

Originally posted by Glazier#1

It may seem to you that OG had Mitchell in mind but not to me. There were two Luton attackers threatening down the RH side with two Palace Players, TM and Ebs in attendance. What ensued was a situation we've seen countless times in matches and if we have, then TM and Ebs have too:

The winger overlaps in order to draw the LB out wide, leaving space for Andros. The full back must go with the winger, and he assumes that the other defender, Ebs, will then take Andros: it's simple.

What followed was a clear case, imo, of Ebs not doing his defensive duty. Instead of seeing the wide player and anticipating that he will need to close Andros down, he remains where he is. By the time Andros receives the ball, he has all the time in the world to decide what he wants to do and we all know what that is going to be: get the ball on his left and cross into the area.

Ebs not only didn't respond quickly enough and close him down but, when Andros did make the cross, he made that silly, half-hearted attempt to block the cross by doing that sort of balletic, one leg in the air while I turn my back job: defensively non-existent.

In short, there were two attackers vs two defenders and it should have been dealt with if both had done their job.

Mitchell did, Ebs didn't.

Can you imagine the cartloads of crap Tyrick would've taken on here if he'd let the attacker go without tracking him?

I love Ebs but in the modern game, when we defend, we all should be doing the job to defend in all areas of the pitch until we regain possession.

All the best teams do it and managers expect it, or else they find someone who will.

As has been said, if Pep saw one of his hugely talented players not carrying out their responsibilities, he'd drop them for someone who does.

We don't have that luxury, sure, but that doesn't mean Ebs is immune to his duties, does it?

Just my opinion, the way I saw it, PA.

Edited by Glazier#1 (10 Mar 2024 10.42am)

 

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View XKudu's Profile XKudu Flag The Midlands, England 10 Mar 24 10.59am Send a Private Message to XKudu Add XKudu as a friend

I think Glasnerís late substitutions have been odd in last two games and seem to boil down to ďletís get some fresh legs onĒ. which is a worrying red flag and shows a lack of guile. They could almost have been decided on before the match started.

A very good Manager will react to what he sees happening on the pitch in real time. Southgate is also bad at that.

I know hindsight is a wonderful thing but with our terrible track record towards the end of games, Ayew and Wharton should have stayed as both looked solid. Bring on the more experienced Schlupp replacing Mitchell who looked shaky again yesterday and has issues with reading the game, passing and confidence.


What else should Glasner be doing over the next 3 weeks?. Hereís another obvious thing. Work on bl@@dy corners!!!!! Try scoring off a few in training. Our approach to corners is truly pathetic.

Moan over.

 

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View PatrickA's Profile PatrickA Flag London 10 Mar 24 11.06am Send a Private Message to PatrickA Add PatrickA as a friend

What Glasner said was that he was not concerned about the ball being played outside by Townsend as he didnít see that as dangerous.
He wanted pressure put on the ball on Townsend immediately to disrupt him.
Instead Townsend was given Ď5 or 6í seconds to dwell on the ball , cut inside and play the ball in.
Glasner said that in that short time span Luton were able to get players in the box that were not there when Townsend initially received the ball.
In a sense it doesnít matter now as the game has gone, but I find it interesting in terms of being illustrative of how professionals see the game differently to fans.

 

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View NEILLO's Profile NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 10 Mar 24 11.19am Send a Private Message to NEILLO Add NEILLO as a friend

Originally posted by XKudu

I think Glasnerís late substitutions have been odd in last two games and seem to boil down to ďletís get some fresh legs onĒ. which is a worrying red flag and shows a lack of guile. They could almost have been decided on before the match started.

A very good Manager will react to what he sees happening on the pitch in real time. Southgate is also bad at that.

I know hindsight is a wonderful thing but with our terrible track record towards the end of games, Ayew and Wharton should have stayed as both looked solid. Bring on the more experienced Schlupp replacing Mitchell who looked shaky again yesterday and has issues with reading the game, passing and confidence.


What else should Glasner be doing over the next 3 weeks?. Hereís another obvious thing. Work on bl@@dy corners!!!!! Try scoring off a few in training. Our approach to corners is truly pathetic.

Moan over.

Well, you're '' moan '' is pretty well ill informed.

Ayew has been carrying a knock and looked knackered. Wharton looks to be still adjusting to the demands of Premier League football and was ( once again ) starting to tire. You could justifiably complain about the lack of quality on the bench but not the rationale behind the substitutions.

As for bringing on Schlupp, difficult ask bearing in mind he wasn't even in the matchday squad.

 


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View Putitout's Profile Putitout Flag Oxford 10 Mar 24 11.22am Send a Private Message to Putitout Add Putitout as a friend

A very good post. Eze, had to stop that cross. Mitchell could never cover both Luton players, why people think he could is baffling, but then you are either the star man or just the dogs body.

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Online Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 10 Mar 24 11.52am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Putitout

A very good post. Eze, had to stop that cross. Mitchell could never cover both Luton players, why people think he could is baffling, but then you are either the star man or just the dogs body.

Eze hardly broke sweat running back to counter the threat and then made a token effort in trying to stop the cross.

Yet another late goal, I was 'Spitting feathers' and in a hissy fit.

Edited by Willo (10 Mar 2024 11.55am)

 

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View grumpymort's Profile grumpymort Flag US/Thailand/UK 10 Mar 24 12.08pm Send a Private Message to grumpymort Add grumpymort as a friend

Originally posted by XKudu

I think Glasnerís late substitutions have been odd in last two games and seem to boil down to ďletís get some fresh legs onĒ. which is a worrying red flag and shows a lack of guile. They could almost have been decided on before the match started.

A very good Manager will react to what he sees happening on the pitch in real time. Southgate is also bad at that.

I know hindsight is a wonderful thing but with our terrible track record towards the end of games, Ayew and Wharton should have stayed as both looked solid. Bring on the more experienced Schlupp replacing Mitchell who looked shaky again yesterday and has issues with reading the game, passing and confidence.


What else should Glasner be doing over the next 3 weeks?. Hereís another obvious thing. Work on bl@@dy corners!!!!! Try scoring off a few in training. Our approach to corners is truly pathetic.

Moan over.


He is bringing fresh legs on because it's very clear to see to people who watch the game many of the players are struggling.

If you was to question subs selection that is different story I mentioned this in another thread Ahamada has offered 0 yet every game under this manager he has given him a chance.

Wharton is knacked you can see it also you need to protect young players long term it will take it's toll.

Schlupp was missing again the last time he was in squad was Chelsea game

People are questioning Mitchell for the goal he made the correct choice that was down to Eze at fault watch it Mitchell tracks and lines himself up with the other defenders which you should do forcing the opposition player to have to halt run otherwise offside.

This is the problem with this system unless three up top are pressing and winning the ball you run into trouble.

We didn't win this game because of missed chances Mateta should have had 3.

Plus likes of Eze trying to much fancy tricks when should have kept the ball even put it in corner.


Edited by grumpymort (10 Mar 2024 12.16pm)

 


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Originally posted by NEILLO

Well, that was another frustrating end to a game and more points thrown away.

A bit more composure in front of goal and Palace would have won comfortably. Too often bad decision making in the final third saw chances go to waste.

A couple of my observations ;

Munoz disappointed me in the second half. He sold himself by going too soon against his opponent and got skinned on a number of occasions. Needs to calm that Latin temperament. When attacking he started to cut the ball back onto his weaker foot rather than playing the early ball across the face of goal.

Palace were still chasing a second goal deep into time added on. Better game management required, Luton had far too much space to exploit for their goal.

Agreed, Munoz has disappointed me in all second half performances in all his matches so far, especially after about 60 minutes. I do wonder when 1:0 up like yesterday and the Spurs match that Clyne could be a good replacement for him which may help us more defensively? I also like that more on here are now realising that as good as the silky skills shown by Eza that his work rate isnít good enough for the team and needs working on.

 

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View Plaistow Eagle's Profile Plaistow Eagle Flag 10 Mar 24 12.13pm Send a Private Message to Plaistow Eagle Add Plaistow Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

Eze hardly broke sweat running back to counter the threat and then made a token effort in trying to stop the cross.

Yet another late goal, I was 'Spitting feathers' and in a hissy fit.

Edited by Willo (10 Mar 2024 11.55am)

At least it wasnít 0-3 as you predicted Willo..!!

COYP

 

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