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View Dubai Eagle's Profile Dubai Eagle Flag 29 Mar 24 7.30am Send a Private Message to Dubai Eagle Add Dubai Eagle as a friend

I would imagine both sides have been looking over the original contract documents recently along with any legal support available to make sure they know what's included in terms of any clauses relating to loss liabilities.

Originally posted by Badger11

It seems the media is now asking why the taxpayer should foot the bill if Thames go under. Too right this is capitalism you can't privatise a company with the guarantee that if it goes bust the shareholders will be bailed out.

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 29 Mar 24 7.39am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Dubai Eagle

I would imagine both sides have been looking over the original contract documents recently along with any legal support available to make sure they know what's included in terms of any clauses relating to loss liabilities.

JRM has tweeted that we should let them go bust and then nationalise it minus the debts. If there is a contract between the government and Thames that commits us to picking up their debt then whoever came up with that should be carted off to the Tower.

 


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View Forest Hillbilly's Profile Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 29 Mar 24 7.55am Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

It seems there is no public money to fix roads, pay doctors and nurses, or to keep our military up to date.
However, when it comes to baling out banks, or Water companies, after paying out huge dividends to shareholders, it seems there is lots of money to spare after all.

 


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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 29 Mar 24 8.27am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

It seems there is no public money to fix roads, pay doctors and nurses, or to keep our military up to date.
However, when it comes to baling out banks, or Water companies, after paying out huge dividends to shareholders, it seems there is lots of money to spare after all.

Unfortunately the 2008 bailout of the banks was necessary as allowing them to fail would have destroyed the economy. Thousands of businesses would have gone bust as a result.

That is not the case with Thames. There shareholders will be impacted but it will be the hedge funds and syndicates that will suffer and that is the risk they take.

 


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View georgenorman's Profile georgenorman Flag 29 Mar 24 8.40am Send a Private Message to georgenorman Add georgenorman as a friend

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

It seems there is no public money to fix roads, pay doctors and nurses, or to keep our military up to date.
However, when it comes to baling out banks, or Water companies, after paying out huge dividends to shareholders, it seems there is lots of money to spare after all.

I agree with a lot of what you say here. But shareholders are not necessarily the filthy rich constantly getting huge dividends. People (including me) buy shares as a speculative investment. You see a company that you think will do well, or you think is undervalued, and buy some shares in it - you then own a little bit of the business. Sometimes you do get some decent dividends (your share of the profits). Sometimes the value of your shares increases substantially and you can chose to cash in or continue your investment. Sometimes you lose practically all of the money that you invested. I've experiences all of these scenarios.

 

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View silvertop's Profile silvertop Flag Portishead 29 Mar 24 8.57am Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

JRM has tweeted that we should let them go bust and then nationalise it minus the debts. If there is a contract between the government and Thames that commits us to picking up their debt then whoever came up with that should be carted off to the Tower.

I doubt you'd have the private equity investment without that guarantee.

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 29 Mar 24 8.59am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by silvertop

I doubt you'd have the private equity investment without that guarantee.

In which case "off to the tower" for the idiot who agreed that.

 


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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 29 Mar 24 9.45am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by georgenorman

I agree with a lot of what you say here. But shareholders are not necessarily the filthy rich constantly getting huge dividends. People (including me) buy shares as a speculative investment. You see a company that you think will do well, or you think is undervalued, and buy some shares in it - you then own a little bit of the business. Sometimes you do get some decent dividends (your share of the profits). Sometimes the value of your shares increases substantially and you can chose to cash in or continue your investment. Sometimes you lose practically all of the money that you invested. I've experiences all of these scenarios.

Alongside many of our private pensions I would guess.

 

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View becky's Profile becky Flag over the moon 29 Mar 24 11.15am Send a Private Message to becky Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add becky as a friend

"The value of your holdings may go down as well as up"

Caveat emptor!

 


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View Henry of Peckham's Profile Henry of Peckham Flag Eton Mess 29 Mar 24 12.42pm Send a Private Message to Henry of Peckham Add Henry of Peckham as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

It seems the media is now asking why the taxpayer should foot the bill if Thames go under. Too right this is capitalism you can't privatise a company with the guarantee that if it goes bust the shareholders will be bailed out.

It provides an essential service so government would have to step in if the company goes bust or to control price increases for the consumer which is the more likely outcome.

 


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View beak's Profile beak Flag croydon 29 Mar 24 12.53pm Send a Private Message to beak Add beak as a friend

Originally posted by Wilesy01

I hope someone looks at the role of Ofwat in all of this.

Another public regulator who have been utterly useless in holding these charlatans to account.

Someone should look at Thatcher and her mad schemes,this decision and Selling Council Houses have bitten Britain Badly.The Water companies had all debts whipped out under going private, they have paid out dividneds by borrowing excessive amounts.

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 29 Mar 24 1.06pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Henry of Peckham

It provides an essential service so government would have to step in if the company goes bust or to control price increases for the consumer which is the more likely outcome.

Of course but it doesn't mean we have to pay off the creditors.

 


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