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the despotic banana Dept. of Baboon Maintenance 24 Nov 04 5.16pm
Quote Jay_Palace at 24 Nov 2004 5:01pm I've yet to be given a valid reason why racism should be treated as the mother and father of all insults. People have been killed in their millions because of racial hatred. Does that not tell you something? Ask me about Ronald de Boer.
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Quote Jay_Palace at 24 Nov 2004 5:01pm

I've yet to be given a valid reason why racism should be treated as the mother and father of all insults.

People have been killed in their millions because of racial hatred. Does that not tell you something?

Ask me about Ronald de Boer.

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Jay_Palace 24 Nov 04 5.22pm
Quote the despotic banana at 24 Nov 2004 5:16pm Quote Jay_Palace at 24 Nov 2004 5:01pm I've yet to be given a valid reason why racism should be treated as the mother and father of all insults. People have been killed in their millions because of racial hatred. Does that not tell you something? Yes it does, but in an entirely different context which is totally irrelevent to what i'm trying to argue. Are you sugesting that making monkey noises at a black player is linked with people being killed in the past because of racial hatred? Edited by Jay_Palace (24 Nov 2004 5:26pm)
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24 Nov 04 5.22pm

Quote the despotic banana at 24 Nov 2004 5:16pm

Quote Jay_Palace at 24 Nov 2004 5:01pm

I've yet to be given a valid reason why racism should be treated as the mother and father of all insults.

People have been killed in their millions because of racial hatred. Does that not tell you something?

Yes it does, but in an entirely different context which is totally irrelevent to what i'm trying to argue.

Are you sugesting that making monkey noises at a black player is linked with people being killed in the past because of racial hatred?

Edited by Jay_Palace (24 Nov 2004 5:26pm)

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madcap #winning 24 Nov 04 5.33pm
Quote Jay_Palace at 24 Nov 2004 5:22pm Quote the despotic banana at 24 Nov 2004 5:16pm Quote Jay_Palace at 24 Nov 2004 5:01pm I've yet to be given a valid reason why racism should be treated as the mother and father of all insults. People have been killed in their millions because of racial hatred. Does that not tell you something? Yes it does, but in an entirely different context which is totally irrelevent to what i'm trying to argue. Are you sugesting that making monkey noises at a black player is linked with people being killed in the past because of racial hatred? Edited by Jay_Palace (24 Nov 2004 5:26pm) No...making monkey noises at a black player is aimed at making someone feel sub-human as in the days of slavery which is totally unacceptable. Abuse about hair colour and height is totally different. All Football fans are scum and should be treated as such Thank You, Goodnight, Much Love x
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Quote Jay_Palace at 24 Nov 2004 5:22pm

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Quote Jay_Palace at 24 Nov 2004 5:01pm

I've yet to be given a valid reason why racism should be treated as the mother and father of all insults.

People have been killed in their millions because of racial hatred. Does that not tell you something?

Yes it does, but in an entirely different context which is totally irrelevent to what i'm trying to argue.

Are you sugesting that making monkey noises at a black player is linked with people being killed in the past because of racial hatred?

Edited by Jay_Palace (24 Nov 2004 5:26pm)

No...making monkey noises at a black player is aimed at making someone feel sub-human as in the days of slavery which is totally unacceptable. Abuse about hair colour and height is totally different.

All Football fans are scum and should be treated as such

Thank You, Goodnight, Much Love x

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kav The Helicopter View 24 Nov 04 5.42pm
This is ridiculous. Next Jay_Palace,you`ll be saying that about people being critical of what other people WEAR.I think it`s called "wearist"? Everytime I get high I lay my head on my baby's breasts
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kav

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This is ridiculous.

Next Jay_Palace,you`ll be saying that about people being critical of what other people WEAR.I think it`s called "wearist"?

Everytime I get high I lay my head on my baby's breasts

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Jay_Palace 24 Nov 04 5.44pm
Quote madcap at 24 Nov 2004 5:33pm Quote Jay_Palace at 24 Nov 2004 5:22pm Quote the despotic banana at 24 Nov 2004 5:16pm Quote Jay_Palace at 24 Nov 2004 5:01pm I've yet to be given a valid reason why racism should be treated as the mother and father of all insults. People have been killed in their millions because of racial hatred. Does that not tell you something? Yes it does, but in an entirely different context which is totally irrelevent to what i'm trying to argue. Are you sugesting that making monkey noises at a black player is linked with people being killed in the past because of racial hatred? Edited by Jay_Palace (24 Nov 2004 5:26pm) No...making monkey noises at a black player is aimed at making someone feel sub-human as in the days of slavery which is totally unacceptable. Abuse about hair colour and height is totally different. But why would it make you feel sub human? The people who make these gestures and noises are morons who are so deluded that it's almost laughable, why their 'opinion' should bother anybody to the extent that it would make them feel sub human, is beyond me. Obviously people should be stopped by all means from doing this, but we need to be careful where we draw the line. If we are to punish fans for abusing players, then it can't just for abuse directed at the colour of a player's skin.
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Quote Jay_Palace at 24 Nov 2004 5:01pm

I've yet to be given a valid reason why racism should be treated as the mother and father of all insults.

People have been killed in their millions because of racial hatred. Does that not tell you something?

Yes it does, but in an entirely different context which is totally irrelevent to what i'm trying to argue.

Are you sugesting that making monkey noises at a black player is linked with people being killed in the past because of racial hatred?

Edited by Jay_Palace (24 Nov 2004 5:26pm)

No...making monkey noises at a black player is aimed at making someone feel sub-human as in the days of slavery which is totally unacceptable. Abuse about hair colour and height is totally different.

But why would it make you feel sub human?

The people who make these gestures and noises are morons who are so deluded that it's almost laughable, why their 'opinion' should bother anybody to the extent that it would make them feel sub human, is beyond me.

Obviously people should be stopped by all means from doing this, but we need to be careful where we draw the line. If we are to punish fans for abusing players, then it can't just for abuse directed at the colour of a player's skin.

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Jay_Palace 24 Nov 04 5.49pm
Quote kav at 24 Nov 2004 5:42pm This is ridiculous. Next Jay_Palace,you`ll be saying that about people being critical of what other people WEAR.I think it`s called "wearist"? well where do you draw the line, kav? The Precedent has been set, whereby a fan making monkey noises at a black player can be heavily fined and banned for a substantial period of time. If something as relitively 'minor' as that can be considered deeply offensive, then you have no choice but to give the same treatment to those who abuse footballers because of their height, hair colour etc. It sounds ridiculous I agree, but you have to be consistent and not a blithering hypocrite.
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Quote kav at 24 Nov 2004 5:42pm

This is ridiculous.

Next Jay_Palace,you`ll be saying that about people being critical of what other people WEAR.I think it`s called "wearist"?

well where do you draw the line, kav?

The Precedent has been set, whereby a fan making monkey noises at a black player can be heavily fined and banned for a substantial period of time. If something as relitively 'minor' as that can be considered deeply offensive, then you have no choice but to give the same treatment to those who abuse footballers because of their height, hair colour etc.

It sounds ridiculous I agree, but you have to be consistent and not a blithering hypocrite.

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Jake d'Eagle in the section labelled 'shirts', ... 24 Nov 04 6.00pm
we can't stand up, drink or smoke anymore. Now we can't shout at players. I called Bellamy an obnoxious Welsh dwarf on Saturday (repeatedly). This is not a medically accurate fact as he doesn't suffer from dwarfism, and I'm not fully convinced that Welsh isn't a term of abuse anyway. If I was having the same go at Earnshaw, would it racist ?? NO level playing field as far as I can see. Put a Glide in your Stride, and Dip in your Hip, Come on over to the Mothership, baby [Link] Transformation is Happening
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in the section labelled 'shirts', ... 24 Nov 04 6.00pm

we can't stand up, drink or smoke anymore.

Now we can't shout at players.

I called Bellamy an obnoxious Welsh dwarf on Saturday (repeatedly).

This is not a medically accurate fact as he doesn't suffer from dwarfism, and I'm not fully convinced that Welsh isn't a term of abuse anyway.

If I was having the same go at Earnshaw, would it racist ??

NO level playing field as far as I can see.

Put a Glide in your Stride, and Dip in your Hip,
Come on over to the Mothership, baby

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Matt_Hep Block B 24 Nov 04 6.00pm
Quote Jay_Palace at 24 Nov 2004 4:43pm Just to put a different slant on this discussion, but is having monkey noises/gestures directed at you any worse than being abused because of your height, hair colour, sexual orientation, nationality etc. Spot on. The difference is that black people have a voice whereas the other groups you mentioned are such rare examples that it is just overlooked.
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Quote Jay_Palace at 24 Nov 2004 4:43pm

Just to put a different slant on this discussion, but is having monkey noises/gestures directed at you any worse than being abused because of your height, hair colour, sexual orientation, nationality etc.

Spot on. The difference is that black people have a voice whereas the other groups you mentioned are such rare examples that it is just overlooked.

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Matt_Hep Block B 24 Nov 04 6.02pm
Quote Jake d'Eagle at 24 Nov 2004 6:00pm If I was having the same go at Earnshaw, would it racist ?? Only if you were commenting on his colour. Everyone is so confused about racial issues, I don't think the government ever did anything to properly educate people. There are millions of misconceptions.
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Quote Jake d'Eagle at 24 Nov 2004 6:00pm

If I was having the same go at Earnshaw, would it racist ??

Only if you were commenting on his colour.

Everyone is so confused about racial issues, I don't think the government ever did anything to properly educate people. There are millions of misconceptions.

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Jake d'Eagle in the section labelled 'shirts', ... 24 Nov 04 6.06pm
so saying he's a black obnoxious welsh dwarf is unacceptable, but if I'm not making reference to his colour, that's OK ? WHY ? None of it (except the Welsh bit) is libellous, and black is a descriptive term, not a qualitative one. Edited by Jake d'Eagle (24 Nov 2004 6:07pm) Put a Glide in your Stride, and Dip in your Hip, Come on over to the Mothership, baby [Link] Transformation is Happening
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in the section labelled 'shirts', ... 24 Nov 04 6.06pm

so saying he's a black obnoxious welsh dwarf is unacceptable, but if I'm not making reference to his colour, that's OK ?

WHY ?

None of it (except the Welsh bit) is libellous, and black is a descriptive term, not a qualitative one.

Edited by Jake d'Eagle (24 Nov 2004 6:07pm)

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robbo Coventry 24 Nov 04 6.18pm
people are getting off the subject i think .. nothing would have happened to him and like alot of others that do it every satiurday if it wasn't for the idiots in spain if that makes scence "GERTCHA" [Link]
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Coventry 24 Nov 04 6.18pm

people are getting off the subject i think ..
nothing would have happened to him and like alot of others that do it every satiurday if it wasn't for the idiots in spain
if that makes scence

"GERTCHA"

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roffeyeagle Freedman Wonderland 24 Nov 04 6.36pm
I know it's slightly off the subject, but had a black or Asian fan done the same to a white player do you think that any action would be taken? Just a thought. 'Happy being mediocre; if you've got no targets, you can't fail' - Mantra for life and Palace. Feel free to check out the Expat Eagles Facebook Group [Link] Viva la revolution!
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I know it's slightly off the subject, but had a black or Asian fan done the same to a white player do you think that any action would be taken? Just a thought.

'Happy being mediocre; if you've got no targets, you can't fail' - Mantra for life and Palace.

Feel free to check out the Expat Eagles Facebook Group [Link]

Viva la revolution!

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