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View matt_the_eagle's Profile matt_the_eagle Flag Tulse Thrill 24 Mar 03 1.07pm Send a Private Message to matt_the_eagle Add matt_the_eagle as a friend

Quote Eddie_Hitler at 24 Mar 2003 12:47pm

Quote OknotOK at 24 Mar 2003 12:32pm

Quote bruceisjudas at 23 Mar 2003 8:26am

Its getting rediculous now.

The reckon an RAF bomber was shot down whilst returning to base...... By an American Patriot missile.

Also 3 ITV journalists are missing

And incidentally, the guy that got away says that they were caught in crossfire between Allied and Iraqi troops.

And that the fire that did the damage appeared to come from the Allied side.

So even more casualties -- self bloody inflicted.


The TV crews have only themselves to blame for this incident as far as i'm concerned. They were so bloody desperate to be the first journalists to wherever they were going, when they ran into iraqi soldiers on there way. Instead of driving past them they decided to turn back to wherever they came from. Two armed iraqi vehicles followed them. As far as the American troops were concerned there were 4 unidentiied vehicles heading straight for them. What would you do??



They made a mistake? I agree, death was the only option.

 


I think Keith Murray said it best when he rapped
"If you aint fly you cant play with my yo-yo".

I'm sure you'll agree.

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View eulalio's Profile eulalio Flag Girls just wanna have Funt 24 Mar 03 1.31pm Send a Private Message to eulalio Add eulalio as a friend

It's bad enough that people have to die, whoever they are and whatever side they're on. But when they're killed by their own, that's somehow even more senseless and tragic than the deliberate killing that war is all about.

I agree that some reporters are crazy gung-ho eejits with a lust for glory, but not in this case. In any case, and whoever did kill them, it's just another awful waste of life in a pointless conflict. I'm glad these reporters are out there so that we can at least get a fraction of truth to offset the US (and Iraqi) propaganda. The job they do is essential in a society which professes to be free.

 


face up to your share of the blame you filthy terrorist sympathiser - Petealiator 8/7/2005
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Intolerance of ambiguity is the mark of an authoritarian personality - Theodor Adorno

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vindaloo Flag 24 Mar 03 2.08pm

Quote the despotic banana at 21 Mar 2003 11:39am

A Letter to George W. Bush on the Eve of War
By Michael Moore, MichaelMoore.com
March 17, 2003
George W. Bush
1600 Pennsylvania Ave.
Washington, DC

Dear Governor Bush:
1. There is virtually no one in America (talk radio nutters and Fox News aside) who is gung-ho to go to war. Trust me on this one. Walk out of the White House and on to any street in America and try to find five people who are passionate about wanting to kill Iraqis. You won't find them! Why? 'Cause no Iraqis have ever come here and killed any of us! No Iraqi has even threatened to do that. You see, this is how we average Americans think: If a certain so-and-so is not perceived as a threat to our lives, then, believe it or not, we don't want to kill him! Funny how that works!

Quite clearly wrong.Whatever view you take on the opinion polls discussed on another thread , to say virtually no-one in America supports this is rubbish.

2. The majority of Americans – the ones who never elected you – are not fooled by your weapons of mass distraction. We know what the real issues are that affect our daily lives – and none of them begin with I or end in Q. Here's what threatens us: Two and a half million jobs lost since you took office, the stock market having become a cruel joke, no one knowing if their retirement funds are going to be there, gas now costs almost two dollars – the list goes on and on. Bombing Iraq will not make any of this go away. Only you need to go away for things to improve.

Depends again on opinion polls so IMO not correct.

3. As Bill Maher said last week, how bad do you have to suck to lose a popularity contest with Saddam Hussein? The whole world is against you, Mr. Bush. Count your fellow Americans among them.

If Mr Moore thinks that this was anything more than a joke i suggest he goes to rehab.

4. The Pope has said this war is wrong, that it is a Sin. The Pope! But even worse, the Dixie Chicks have now come out against you! How bad does it have to get before you realize that you are an army of one on this war? Of course, this is a war you personally won't have to fight. Just like when you went AWOL while the poor were shipped to Vietnam in your place.

Obviously not wrong by fact this one , but wrong to think that stating the Pope's views adds anymore weight to his argument. I've nothing against the old man personally but in a world where religious fanaticism is a major cause of unrest. His view on the conflict is no more or no less relevant than Eamonn Holmes view on snowboarding.

5. Of the 535 members of Congress, only one (Sen. Johnson of South Dakota) has an enlisted son or daughter in the armed forces! If you really want to stand up for America, please send your twin daughters over to Kuwait right now and let them don their chemical warfare suits. And let's see every member of Congress with a child of military age also sacrifice their kids for this war effort. What's that you say? You don't think so? Well, hey, guess what – we don't think so either!

wahey
6. Finally, we love France.

There you go . A statement universally known to be untrue outside of France itself.


Here is a belated effort to answer DB's request at why i thought Mr Moore's letter was slightly veering off the truth. I must admit i lost heart halfway through and am donning my Khakis to join the Home Guard.

 


"Crystal Palace nuts are we , we love Iain Dowie"

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View Eddie_Hitler's Profile Eddie_Hitler Flag Sussex 24 Mar 03 2.29pm Send a Private Message to Eddie_Hitler Add Eddie_Hitler as a friend

Quote matt_the_eagle at 24 Mar 2003 1:07pm

Quote Eddie_Hitler at 24 Mar 2003 12:47pm

Quote OknotOK at 24 Mar 2003 12:32pm

Quote bruceisjudas at 23 Mar 2003 8:26am

Its getting rediculous now.

The reckon an RAF bomber was shot down whilst returning to base...... By an American Patriot missile.

Also 3 ITV journalists are missing

And incidentally, the guy that got away says that they were caught in crossfire between Allied and Iraqi troops.

And that the fire that did the damage appeared to come from the Allied side.

So even more casualties -- self bloody inflicted.


The TV crews have only themselves to blame for this incident as far as i'm concerned. They were so bloody desperate to be the first journalists to wherever they were going, when they ran into iraqi soldiers on there way. Instead of driving past them they decided to turn back to wherever they came from. Two armed iraqi vehicles followed them. As far as the American troops were concerned there were 4 unidentiied vehicles heading straight for them. What would you do??



They made a mistake? I agree, death was the only option.

No Matt, death wasn't the only option, but these reporters must have known how dangerous it was to venture into parts of the country where allied forces hadn't secured. They proved to be a liability not only to themselves but to the allied forces nearby aswell. The troops that shot them must have had a split second to make a decision. Two of those vehicles had guns mounted on them. Do they wait for them to get close enough to open fire or do they take them out at the earliest opportunity.


 

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View Bexter's Profile Bexter Flag By the Sea 24 Mar 03 2.37pm Send a Private Message to Bexter Add Bexter as a friend

Geez, who are you to say it was their fault? they were doing their job, it's worrying that so many mistakes are already being made in this war - more than worrying, it's a disgrace, not an 'acceptable and inevitable' cost. Just like all of the burnt Iraqi children are not an 'acceptable cost' in my opinion.

 

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View Eddie_Hitler's Profile Eddie_Hitler Flag Sussex 24 Mar 03 2.48pm Send a Private Message to Eddie_Hitler Add Eddie_Hitler as a friend

Lets be honest here Bexter. Who else can we blame for them driving off like that?? Who ordered them to do it?? They knew the risks of doing such a thing, and unfortunatly suffered the consequences of taking such a risk. This is a war zone for f*** sake, not a paintballing session. I know it's easy to blame the Americans for just about all the british fatalities so far, but on this occasion he took his job too far.

 

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View eulalio's Profile eulalio Flag Girls just wanna have Funt 24 Mar 03 3.02pm Send a Private Message to eulalio Add eulalio as a friend

I think I'm going to wait until I know exactly what happened before I start blaming dead reporters.

Edited by halfmanhalfslug (24 Mar 2003 3:02pm)

 


face up to your share of the blame you filthy terrorist sympathiser - Petealiator 8/7/2005
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Intolerance of ambiguity is the mark of an authoritarian personality - Theodor Adorno

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View eulalio's Profile eulalio Flag Girls just wanna have Funt 24 Mar 03 3.26pm Send a Private Message to eulalio Add eulalio as a friend

Apparently the Desert Rats are withdrawing from Basra after meeting heavy resistance.

See? A quick easy war, minimum casualties. My arse.

 


face up to your share of the blame you filthy terrorist sympathiser - Petealiator 8/7/2005
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Intolerance of ambiguity is the mark of an authoritarian personality - Theodor Adorno

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View Bexter's Profile Bexter Flag By the Sea 24 Mar 03 3.39pm Send a Private Message to Bexter Add Bexter as a friend

hmmm, seems the iraqi army are not so keen to rid of their leader and surrender as we thought... those leaflets just don't seem to be doing the trick....

 

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Quote halfmanhalfslug at 24 Mar 2003 3:26pm

Apparently the Desert Rats are withdrawing from Basra after meeting heavy resistance.

See? A quick easy war, minimum casualties. My arse.

you almost seem happy about this....

 


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View saxoneagle's Profile saxoneagle Flag Bromley 24 Mar 03 4.37pm Send a Private Message to saxoneagle Add saxoneagle as a friend

First British casualties reported who were actually killed by Iraqi's.

Makes a change from the yanks shooting us

Oh yeah, and the guy who fired the Patriot missile into the British plane.... he's said sorry. Hollow words to the plane crews family

 

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View OknotOK's Profile OknotOK Flag Cockfosters, London 24 Mar 03 4.39pm Send a Private Message to OknotOK Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add OknotOK as a friend

This is quite helpful

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Indicates that tensions might be growing between the States and Russia though!

 


"It's almost like a moral decision. Except not really cos noone is going to find out," Jez, Peep Show

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