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jamiemartin721 Reading 22 Jun 16 4.31pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger How did a less than average marksman make those shots with a bold action rifle? His Marine record shows that he was ranked as a sharpshooter in terms of testing (with practice) and without practice just off or marksman. Which makes him quite a good shooter, and the Marine sniper rifle of practice is a 'Kate' a bolt action rifle. Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger How did the Police know he was in the cinema after the shooting? He was arrested for the shooting of J D Tippet, 45 minutes after the shooting of the president, not as a suspect in the shooting of Kennedy. The chain of witnesses place him at the shooting of Tippet to the Texas Theater Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Why did they dispose of Kennedy's brain material? They didn't, it was passed to the National Archive after the autopsy and was reported missing in 1966. It was certainly there in 1965 Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger How was he shot from the front with a seemingly larger calibrate bullet when Oswald was behind him? This is a based on the perpetuation of poor evidence and generally stems from two poor images presented at the Warren commission. The x-rays, the Zarapuder film, Zarapuder and eye witnesses describe the shot as being to the back or side of the head, not the front. Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Why did they relax security that day? I don't know, but would it have made a difference. I don't know if they did or didn't relax security. Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Who really were the three tramps at the scene, one of whom has been possibly identified as an agent? Well if they're tramps, I would imagine no one actually knows too much about them, being tramps and all that. But it does seem something of a stretch to imagine that is evidence of anything - Unidentified tramps, one of whom may or may not have been an agent. CIA, FBI, Agriculture and Fisheries, DOD, NASA - there are a lot of agencies in the US. Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger If Oswald was acting alone why didn't he just say so instead of saying he was a patsy? Oswald never claimed to have killed the president during interrogations. Unsurprisingly then he wouldn't admit to acting alone. However his alibi for the time of the shooting wasn't supported by witnesses who were in the Domino room (one couldn't be sure the other was certain). "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 22 Jun 16 4.31pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

How did a less than average marksman make those shots with a bold action rifle?

His Marine record shows that he was ranked as a sharpshooter in terms of testing (with practice) and without practice just off or marksman. Which makes him quite a good shooter, and the Marine sniper rifle of practice is a 'Kate' a bolt action rifle.

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
How did the Police know he was in the cinema after the shooting?

He was arrested for the shooting of J D Tippet, 45 minutes after the shooting of the president, not as a suspect in the shooting of Kennedy. The chain of witnesses place him at the shooting of Tippet to the Texas Theater

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Why did they dispose of Kennedy's brain material?

They didn't, it was passed to the National Archive after the autopsy and was reported missing in 1966. It was certainly there in 1965

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
How was he shot from the front with a seemingly larger calibrate bullet when Oswald was behind him?

This is a based on the perpetuation of poor evidence and generally stems from two poor images presented at the Warren commission. The x-rays, the Zarapuder film, Zarapuder and eye witnesses describe the shot as being to the back or side of the head, not the front.

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Why did they relax security that day?

I don't know, but would it have made a difference. I don't know if they did or didn't relax security.

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Who really were the three tramps at the scene, one of whom has been possibly identified as an agent?

Well if they're tramps, I would imagine no one actually knows too much about them, being tramps and all that. But it does seem something of a stretch to imagine that is evidence of anything - Unidentified tramps, one of whom may or may not have been an agent. CIA, FBI, Agriculture and Fisheries, DOD, NASA - there are a lot of agencies in the US.

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
If Oswald was acting alone why didn't he just say so instead of saying he was a patsy?

Oswald never claimed to have killed the president during interrogations. Unsurprisingly then he wouldn't admit to acting alone. However his alibi for the time of the shooting wasn't supported by witnesses who were in the Domino room (one couldn't be sure the other was certain).

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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jamiemartin721 Reading 22 Jun 16 4.39pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Occam's Razor. Although the most likely is by no means the answer every time. Life is stranger than fiction. First you eliminate the probable, and then more onto the improbable. I think that too often conspiracy theorist look for any reason to jump to the improbable. For JFK it would mean possibly hundreds of people are in on the conspiracy, just on the ground in Dallas. The problem is that Conspiracy Theorists will see something like a statement by one witness, that might be at odds with the story and seize on that as 'facts' rather than accounting for the fact that eye witnesses in any traumatic situation, often tell differing stories. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 22 Jun 16 4.39pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Occam's Razor.

Although the most likely is by no means the answer every time.

Life is stranger than fiction.

First you eliminate the probable, and then more onto the improbable. I think that too often conspiracy theorist look for any reason to jump to the improbable.

For JFK it would mean possibly hundreds of people are in on the conspiracy, just on the ground in Dallas. The problem is that Conspiracy Theorists will see something like a statement by one witness, that might be at odds with the story and seize on that as 'facts' rather than accounting for the fact that eye witnesses in any traumatic situation, often tell differing stories.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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ghosteagle 22 Jun 16 4.49pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger I have the CIA nailed on for Kennedy. OSwald was probabaly not clinically insane but just damaged and easily lead enough to be used. Ruby had connections to the mob and let's face it , we can only speculate about why he shot Oswald. On face value, it seems like a very odd occurrence and even Ruby said that people would never believe the truth. I think Oswald was on board until he realised he was being set up as the Patsy and then they had to kill him. We don't know if the plan went well or if they had to change it at some point. Most plays don't go to plan. There are so many other questions. How did a less than average marksman make those shots with a bold action rifle? How did the Police know he was in the cinema after the shooting? Why did they dispose of Kennedy's brain material? How was he shot from the front with a seemingly larger calibrate bullet when Oswald was behind him? Why did they relax security that day? Who really were the three tramps at the scene, one of whom has been possibly identified as an agent? If Oswald was acting alone why didn't he just say so instead of saying he was a patsy? After all, you don't expect to shoot the President in those circumstances and get away with it. Let's not get on to Bobby Kennedy. There is so much more to the Kennedy assassination than a magic bullet. Truesai. The fact that the CIA killed Kennedy makes a mockery of the americans always banging on about 'democracy'.
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22 Jun 16 4.49pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I have the CIA nailed on for Kennedy. OSwald was probabaly not clinically insane but just damaged and easily lead enough to be used.

Ruby had connections to the mob and let's face it , we can only speculate about why he shot Oswald. On face value, it seems like a very odd occurrence and even Ruby said that people would never believe the truth.
I think Oswald was on board until he realised he was being set up as the Patsy and then they had to kill him. We don't know if the plan went well or if they had to change it at some point. Most plays don't go to plan.
There are so many other questions.
How did a less than average marksman make those shots with a bold action rifle?
How did the Police know he was in the cinema after the shooting?
Why did they dispose of Kennedy's brain material?
How was he shot from the front with a seemingly larger calibrate bullet when Oswald was behind him?
Why did they relax security that day?
Who really were the three tramps at the scene, one of whom has been possibly identified as an agent?
If Oswald was acting alone why didn't he just say so instead of saying he was a patsy? After all, you don't expect to shoot the President in those circumstances and get away with it.
Let's not get on to Bobby Kennedy.

There is so much more to the Kennedy assassination than a magic bullet.

Truesai. The fact that the CIA killed Kennedy makes a mockery of the americans always banging on about 'democracy'.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 22 Jun 16 5.08pm
Originally posted by ghosteagle Truesai. The fact that the CIA killed Kennedy makes a mockery of the americans always banging on about 'democracy'. Except for the fact bit. If it was an 'inside job' its unlikely to have been the CIA. Its just that most people don't realise just how many government agencies there are in the US. So who at the CIA was behind it all. Was there a meeting where someone said, ok, this is the project, we're going to kill President Kennedy in Dallas, and everyone else at the meeting agreed, signed off on it, assigned the staff etc. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 22 Jun 16 5.08pm

Originally posted by ghosteagle

Truesai. The fact that the CIA killed Kennedy makes a mockery of the americans always banging on about 'democracy'.

Except for the fact bit. If it was an 'inside job' its unlikely to have been the CIA. Its just that most people don't realise just how many government agencies there are in the US.

So who at the CIA was behind it all. Was there a meeting where someone said, ok, this is the project, we're going to kill President Kennedy in Dallas, and everyone else at the meeting agreed, signed off on it, assigned the staff etc.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 22 Jun 16 5.18pm
All this conspiracy guff is a nice way to deflect from the fact that the rise of cloaked xenophobia and Fascism most likely lead to the murder of a (traitor) mp. The outpouring of grief from the masses is getting on my tits a bit though. [Link]
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Shizzlehurst 22 Jun 16 5.18pm

All this conspiracy guff is a nice way to deflect from the fact that the rise of cloaked xenophobia and Fascism most likely lead to the murder of a (traitor) mp.

The outpouring of grief from the masses is getting on my tits a bit though.

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ghosteagle 22 Jun 16 5.30pm
Originally posted by nickgusset All this conspiracy guff is a nice way to deflect from the fact that the rise of cloaked xenophobia and Fascism most likely lead to the murder of a (traitor) mp. The outpouring of grief from the masses is getting on my tits a bit though. [Link] Now, now, who doesn't like a large dose of insincerity with their morning coffee?
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22 Jun 16 5.30pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

All this conspiracy guff is a nice way to deflect from the fact that the rise of cloaked xenophobia and Fascism most likely lead to the murder of a (traitor) mp.

The outpouring of grief from the masses is getting on my tits a bit though.

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Now, now, who doesn't like a large dose of insincerity with their morning coffee?

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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 22 Jun 16 5.56pm
Originally posted by nickgusset All this conspiracy guff is a nice way to deflect from the fact that the rise of cloaked xenophobia and Fascism most likely lead to the murder of a (traitor) mp. The outpouring of grief from the masses is getting on my tits a bit though. [Link] [Link] Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham
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Clapham on the Back 22 Jun 16 5.56pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

All this conspiracy guff is a nice way to deflect from the fact that the rise of cloaked xenophobia and Fascism most likely lead to the murder of a (traitor) mp.

The outpouring of grief from the masses is getting on my tits a bit though.

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Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 22 Jun 16 6.04pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 First you eliminate the probable, and then more onto the improbable. I think that too often conspiracy theorist look for any reason to jump to the improbable. For JFK it would mean possibly hundreds of people are in on the conspiracy, just on the ground in Dallas. The problem is that Conspiracy Theorists will see something like a statement by one witness, that might be at odds with the story and seize on that as 'facts' rather than accounting for the fact that eye witnesses in any traumatic situation, often tell differing stories. When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth. - Sherlock Holmes, The Sign of the Four Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham
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Clapham on the Back 22 Jun 16 6.04pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

First you eliminate the probable, and then more onto the improbable. I think that too often conspiracy theorist look for any reason to jump to the improbable.

When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth. - Sherlock Holmes, The Sign of the Four

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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Hrolf The Ganger 22 Jun 16 7.08pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Oswald never claimed to have killed the president during interrogations. Unsurprisingly then he wouldn't admit to acting alone. However his alibi for the time of the shooting wasn't supported by witnesses who were in the Domino room (one couldn't be sure the other was certain). I like your measured attitude toward this stuff but I'm not especially convinced by some of these explanations.
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

I like your measured attitude toward this stuff but I'm not especially convinced by some of these explanations.

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Hrolf The Ganger 22 Jun 16 7.16pm
Originally posted by nickgusset All this conspiracy guff is a nice way to deflect from the fact that the rise of cloaked xenophobia and Fascism most likely lead to the murder of a (traitor) mp. The outpouring of grief from the masses is getting on my tits a bit though. [Link] I'm not sure what is more scary. A rabid fascist or an obsessed, paranoid lefty. They should all be put in a small room and made to fight it out.
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22 Jun 16 7.16pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

All this conspiracy guff is a nice way to deflect from the fact that the rise of cloaked xenophobia and Fascism most likely lead to the murder of a (traitor) mp.

The outpouring of grief from the masses is getting on my tits a bit though.

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I'm not sure what is more scary. A rabid fascist or an obsessed, paranoid lefty.

They should all be put in a small room and made to fight it out.

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Hrolf The Ganger 22 Jun 16 7.23pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Except for the fact bit. If it was an 'inside job' its unlikely to have been the CIA. Its just that most people don't realise just how many government agencies there are in the US. So who at the CIA was behind it all. Was there a meeting where someone said, ok, this is the project, we're going to kill President Kennedy in Dallas, and everyone else at the meeting agreed, signed off on it, assigned the staff etc. It's quite easy to keep things secret in a hierarchal organisation. Especially when speaking out of turn could cost you or your family their lives. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (22 Jun 2016 7.24pm)
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22 Jun 16 7.23pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Except for the fact bit. If it was an 'inside job' its unlikely to have been the CIA. Its just that most people don't realise just how many government agencies there are in the US.

So who at the CIA was behind it all. Was there a meeting where someone said, ok, this is the project, we're going to kill President Kennedy in Dallas, and everyone else at the meeting agreed, signed off on it, assigned the staff etc.

It's quite easy to keep things secret in a hierarchal organisation. Especially when speaking out of turn could cost you or your family their lives.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (22 Jun 2016 7.24pm)

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elgrande bedford 22 Jun 16 7.25pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger I'm not sure what is more scary. A rabid fascist or an obsessed, paranoid lefty. They should all be put in a small room and made to fight it out. Sounds like a plan.... always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.
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bedford 22 Jun 16 7.25pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I'm not sure what is more scary. A rabid fascist or an obsessed, paranoid lefty.

They should all be put in a small room and made to fight it out.

Sounds like a plan....

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

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