In fairness, it was a sarcastic response to a snide comment about 'poverty of morals' in parts of society.

I disagree with this idea of capitalism and nature (well kind of, obviously there is some truth in it), but have a meeting shortly. I think this is an interesting topic and look forwards to discussing it.

Those who succeed in a system dictate what is and isn't a crime, especially in terms of regulating how they can retain a position of success.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
[Link]

I disagree. Revolution and Social Changes, tend to introduce new players and new rules, rather than create the same game, with different players.

Although I do agree that ultimately those who shout 'we shall overthrow' if successful, become those that people chant 'we shall overthrow against'

However the rise of industrialisation, created major changes in the 'game', notably introducing the capacity for many more to play the game, not just those from the right ancestral bloodlines.

But the key, that most revolutionaries seem to fail to understand, is that its cannot be about 'hatred for the players and replacing them, individually' it has to be about changing the way the rules.

Effectively, where this latter event has occurred, such as with enfranchisement, due process, rights etc progress has usually outweighed the impact of change, because the end result has been greater participation and investment of people into the games.

Its easy to forget that the Middle Classes were once the most revolutionary movement in social history, and ultimately the rise of 'freemen' and notably the merchant class, monumentally redefined western society (and ultimately paved the way for increased participation of the working classes)

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
[Link]

My "poverty of moral values" remark wasn't a snide remark about sections of society. It was about demonising the poor. Poverty doesn't make people criminals. Poverty of moral values does.
You seem to apply some sort of subtext to my statement, that suits your agenda. I'd much prefer if you questioned/challenged my view than twist it to score points.

I disagree that morals are inherent rather than learned, I certainly consider my morals to come from my parents/siblings.

I have travelled through South America to some of the poorest villages, where the people have next to nothing, one village had only one phone in the local shop, and they let everyone use it.
Poverty doesn't equal crime. That kind of thinking is dangerous.
Criminality can breed in many different environments, personally I always think having two good parents helps. The number of young black people in America being brought up in single parent households is far higher than any other racial group.
I also think the gang culture doesn't help, seeing snoop dogg standing next to the Dallas police chief was incredible, that f***er is part of the problem.
Once criminal culture takes hold in a certain section of society it's difficult to eradicate, people become conditioned by their environment. I think the solution has to ultimately come from the black community. There are many things I admire about the black side of my family, but they don't see education as a main priority, I think that is something that could change. The Asian community are extremely family orientated and place huge importance on education.

Thanks for the detailed reply. I will try to do it justice, but I'm currently posting from a foreign country on terrible internet connection.

I disagree, morals are not inherent.. We are never going to agree on that one. I consider myself to have by n large good morals, I believe I learnt these from my parents. None of my siblings have ever been in trouble with the police (apart from being punched by a Spanish copper). Other members of my extended family have fallen foul of the law... Obviously they feel the system is against them, but in all brutal honesty, one of them is a thief, his dad was offski pretty much straight away and his mum never worked and remained bitter at her life choices. I believe that led to this family member having bad morals.

I don't believe America has serious trouble with Italian gangs, even the Hispanic gangs have a long way to go, before getting anywhere near the body count of the black gangs. I've never been a fan of... "What about..." Type arguments.

You said my view of single parent black families is "more or less true". It is true... Look at the stats.

There isn't a massive race problem with American police, when you look at the facts, none of the accusations stand up.

Black people commit far far too much crime (especially violent crime) putting black people in prison hasn't worked, all it has done is make black people think they're being targeted (they're not, stats from DoJ, back this up)

Now you get a few black people shot by cops, and it feeds in to this victim mentality. In my view, the black community needs to take responsibility for their actions. Michael Brown deserved to be shot, black witnesses backed the police officers account. The lady with the shotgun deserved to be shot, yet BLM described it as "a systematic attack on people of colour" all of this sounds like a deflection tactic... What would help (mainly) young black men best is if the black community admitted their problems. Forget about what the far right has to say... Just be honest. Sure it will sting for a bit, but just imagine the lives it will save, and the amount of young black men spending huge amounts of their lives in prison.

Well yes, but then what can he do about it. By himself, nothing, because that's what poverty is. Poverty and poor ethics and choices go hand in hand. Poverty isn't just about money, its about choices, influences, access to opportunities etc.

Being poor is bad, but being impoverished is terrible.

Well a large part of the drug and weapons black gangs are fighting over and with, will come from other organised crime gangs, or their affiliates. The Mafia ties back to Italy, are responsible for heroin trafficking into the black areas, for example.

There is a problem, but its not really the problem here. The problem in the US, is more about poor people, and a police forces funding, training and recruitment. The US criminal justice system is cruel in regards to the poorer members of socitety and black people get caught up in that.

The difference, black America has a long history of having to fight for its rights, and as a result has an apparatus in place which gives it a voice, other groups in lower working class and underclasses simply don't have.

BLM is important, not because the police are racist murder junkies, but that they are killing people in a manner that is unjustified in any reasonable sense, and that's part of a criminal justice system that is entirely cruel to those socio-economic demographics.

If it wasn't for BLM no one would even be giving a s**t about these stories where police use of lethal force is entirely disproportionate to the situation and context.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
[Link]