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blackpalacefan 05 Nov 16 11.15pm | |
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I routinely get asked 'where I'm from' I know what people mean by that, but I'm from the UK and am British. When that's my answer I'm asked 'no, where are you from originally?' or 'where are you really from?'. There's that aspect of life to deal with and life is very visual by its nature, there's no getting away from it. Where you are routinely differentiated, it helps to have outlets where none of that means anything and you can just let your hair down. I'm sure that's the same for lots of groups, racial, disability and list goes on. Like the "good humoured" lesbian thread on here where everyone is laughing it up about words that are used to harm and demean others. Life isn't a freebie pop at whatever group isn't flavour of the month, with no outlet for said groups. The MOBOs is a fun, positive night for people and genres who had to fight to get their significant artistic ability recognised. Times change and eventually it may be redundant but there are always lots of white people present and performing at the mobos anyway, which is how it should be. It's not some kind of race hate gathering. In a majority white country, being white is, culturaly if not always locally, an unnoticed default, a given. If a person goes out of their way to overly associate with their race when that is the case they are often doing so for different reasons, centering around disliking others rather than celebrating themselves. How many black people get to perform or are present at events celebrating white identity? Just about every famous black british person goes to the mobos, are we suggesting that they are all incredible racists, or could it be that there is a bit more to it than that? Edited by blackpalacefan (05 Nov 2016 11.47pm)
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Kermit8 Hevon 05 Nov 16 11.22pm | |
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Advice to people who have a problem with skin colour or have a chip on their shoulder about skin colour: most people don't give a sh1t so don't advertise it.
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Hrolf The Ganger 05 Nov 16 11.56pm | |
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Originally posted by blackpalacefan
I routinely get asked 'where I'm from' I know what people mean by that, but I'm from the UK and am British. When that's my answer I'm asked 'no, where are you from originally?' or 'where are you really from?'. There's that aspect of life to deal with and life is very visual by its nature, there's no getting away from it. Where you are routinely differentiated, it helps to have outlets where none of that means anything and you can just let your hair down. I'm sure that's the same for lots of groups, racial, disability and list goes on. Like the "good humoured" lesbian thread on here where everyone is laughing it up about words that are used to harm and demean others. Life isn't a freebie pop at whatever group isn't flavour of the month, with no outlet for said groups. The MOBOs is a fun, positive night for people and genres who had to fight to get their significant artistic ability recognised. Times change and eventually it may be redundant but there are always lots of white people present and performing at the mobos anyway, which is how it should be. It's not some kind of race hate gathering. In a majority white country, being white is, culturaly if not always locally, an unnoticed default, a given. If a person goes out of their way to overly associate with race when that is the case they are often doing so for different reasons, centering around disliking others rather than celebrating themselves. How many black people get to perform or are present at events celebrating white identity? Just about every famous black british person goes to the mobos, are we suggesting that they are all incredible racists, or could it be that there is a bit more to it than that? Edited by blackpalacefan (05 Nov 2016 11.45pm) That's all very nice BPF but what about when Mr Whitey wants to get away from all the "foreigners". It's the same thing in reverse however you spin it and quite frankly if you or your parents move to a predominantly and long standing white country then it is hardly a surprise that you get asked where you originally come from. I seriously doubt anyone means it as an insult. Treading on egg shells can be a bit tedious too old chap. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (05 Nov 2016 11.57pm)
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blackpalacefan 06 Nov 16 1.00am | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
That's all very nice BPF but what about when Mr Whitey wants to get away from all the "foreigners". It's the same thing in reverse however you spin it and quite frankly if you or your parents move to a predominantly and long standing white country then it is hardly a surprise that you get asked where you originally come from. I seriously doubt anyone means it as an insult. Treading on egg shells can be a bit tedious too old chap. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (05 Nov 2016 11.57pm) As I said, there are plenty of white people at the mobos, both in attendance, performing and recieving awards. It's not about getting away from people, it's about being around music lovers black, white or otherwise, who see this event its blend of genres as a celebration. If you would not want to be there, that's fine. In no way shape or form is it a 'blacks only club' though. Again, I'm not 'foreign' in any sense, I'm as british as you. Nor did I 'move to a predominantly and long standing white country', I was born here. Nor did my parents 'move to a predominantly and long standing white country'. My grandparents yes. I went out of my way to say that I know that people mean little by it, but when it's a mantra, it does mean something to you. Some would realise that may factors into a person's experience of their nationality to some degree. You think that people are chomping at the bit to cry racism in one direction. My point is that, you are doing the same. You see this as a racist event, and as just about every famous british black person goes to it, by extension you think they are racist. Who knew, almost every black celebrity and musician a racist. You learn something new everyday don't you, but then that's 'foreigners' for you. Matt is hardly a liberal or a whiner and he 'gets' that this event has more to it than hysterical claims that it's a negative, racist, blacks only club. But then again it sounds like he happily interacts with a varied crowd, so he holds a nuanced real world view.
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blackpalacefan 06 Nov 16 1.56am | |
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Back to the event itself, I felt bad for WSTRN. It can't have been much fun when they twigged that there'd been a mix up [Link] Edited by blackpalacefan (06 Nov 2016 1.59am)
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dannyb1 Chichester 06 Nov 16 10.08am | |
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Originally posted by Part Time James
Personally I hate most of the music on there anyway. I don't care who gets an award that you can get for going "Yeah" a lot over a TR909. Exactly it sounds better over the 808's kick drum.
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Pussay Patrol 06 Nov 16 10.35am | |
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Originally posted by blackpalacefan
As I said, there are plenty of white people at the mobos, both in attendance, performing and recieving awards. It's not about getting away from people, it's about being around music lovers black, white or otherwise, who see this event its blend of genres as a celebration. If you would not want to be there, that's fine. In no way shape or form is it a 'blacks only club' though. Again, I'm not 'foreign' in any sense, I'm as british as you. Nor did I 'move to a predominantly and long standing white country', I was born here. Nor did my parents 'move to a predominantly and long standing white country'. My grandparents yes. I went out of my way to say that I know that people mean little by it, but when it's a mantra, it does mean something to you. Some would realise that may factors into a person's experience of their nationality to some degree. You think that people are chomping at the bit to cry racism in one direction. My point is that, you are doing the same. You see this as a racist event, and as just about every famous british black person goes to it, by extension you think they are racist. Who knew, almost every black celebrity and musician a racist. You learn something new everyday don't you, but then that's 'foreigners' for you. Matt is hardly a liberal or a whiner and he 'gets' that this event has more to it than hysterical claims that it's a negative, racist, blacks only club. But then again it sounds like he happily interacts with a varied crowd, so he holds a nuanced real world view.
Thing is the liberals have brought it to a stage where it's gone too far the other way and now white people like to point out the hypocrisies and contradictions. This is where we are as a society but we should be in a place of racial harmony now and Race and colour should not be come into it. So this show should not reference race or ethnicity, why not just call it the urban music awards or something? Maybe if they open the show everytime with Stevie Wonder and Paul Macartney and a blast of ebony and ivory that would calm everyone down?
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Hrolf The Ganger 06 Nov 16 10.40am | |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
Thing is the liberals have brought it to a stage where it's gone too far the other way and now white people like to point out the hypocrisies and contradictions. This is where we are as a society but we should be in a place of racial harmony now and Race and colour should not be come into it. So this show should not reference race or ethnicity, why not just call it the urban music awards or something? Maybe if they open the show everytime with Stevie Wonder and Paul Macartney and a blast of ebony and ivory that would calm everyone down? I agree 100%... except for maybe the last bit.
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Hrolf The Ganger 06 Nov 16 10.55am | |
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Originally posted by blackpalacefan
As I said, there are plenty of white people at the mobos, both in attendance, performing and recieving awards. It's not about getting away from people, it's about being around music lovers black, white or otherwise, who see this event its blend of genres as a celebration. If you would not want to be there, that's fine. In no way shape or form is it a 'blacks only club' though. Again, I'm not 'foreign' in any sense, I'm as british as you. Nor did I 'move to a predominantly and long standing white country', I was born here. Nor did my parents 'move to a predominantly and long standing white country'. My grandparents yes. I went out of my way to say that I know that people mean little by it, but when it's a mantra, it does mean something to you. Some would realise that may factors into a person's experience of their nationality to some degree. You think that people are chomping at the bit to cry racism in one direction. My point is that, you are doing the same. You see this as a racist event, and as just about every famous british black person goes to it, by extension you think they are racist. Who knew, almost every black celebrity and musician a racist. You learn something new everyday don't you, but then that's 'foreigners' for you. Matt is hardly a liberal or a whiner and he 'gets' that this event has more to it than hysterical claims that it's a negative, racist, blacks only club. But then again it sounds like he happily interacts with a varied crowd, so he holds a nuanced real world view.
As has already been said, if the event is open to all as you suggest then why call it MOBO? The name is exclusive in itself and unnecessary. We need to move on from this kind of outmoded divisive stuff if we are to evolve. As for your "Where are you from originally?" issues.
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Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 06 Nov 16 11.47am | |
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I believe Cucking is already working on an alternative for next year called the BOBOs (Benders of Black Origin)I hear that Andi Peter's is penciled in to host the event although Boy George was originally first choice.
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johnfirewall 06 Nov 16 2.37pm | |
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I've got no issue with the MOBOs but surprisingly neither have the 'misappropriation' moaners, considering all the white people making black music. Honey G is a fcuking disgrace but only because she's sh1t. I don't know whether Sascha Baron Cohen got away with it because people hadn't cottoned on to this argument in the '90s, which even retrospectively would seem quite naive as the Black and White Minstrels had been distasteful for decades by that point. I can only assume that it's because he was funny and clever with it, clever enough to have a backstory ready for the character of 'Alistair Graham' if challenged on impersonating someone of another ethnic origin.
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Sportyteacher London 06 Nov 16 3.41pm | |
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'Orpington Mass-eeve' is probably cheering on for London Beat to win! Is it a town behind the scenes?
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