I thought I was the one who wasn't allowed to use fancy words.

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The Ferret
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Oh Willo, you're so frustrating.

Many in the past have come out and absolutely slated the man, calling him every name under the sun, and whilst some would see that as fair game, I made a point of not using such fallacies, as I knew you would not respond the post. Therefore I find it rather odd that a man of your age and intelligence could not 'dignify' me with an appropriate response. Had I come out and insulted either you or Clattenburg then fine, but I did neither. I just said that a man in a position of power acted unprofessionally, in a high profile event, and was caught in camera doing so. This unfortunately opened him up to criticism, especially when he went on to make mistakes that went in one teams favour (mistakes that he has admitted).

Ironically you always like to bash users and their use of insults instead of valid arguments, yet when one does you instead call 'hogwash' and 'rambling'. As I said before, a man of your intelligence should be able to see that there was no rambling, just a highly thought out point, that I posed to you. Clattenburg acted unprofessionally, as was commented on by many people in the game at the time, and I struggle to see how you can see it a shame anything but that, and unfortunately you still haven't aired this view.

It's a shame Willo, because I genuinely wanted to hear how you could view that as anything other than unprofessional, perhaps we're all missing something, but instead you chose to attack a post that tried to have an actual debate with you (rather than just attacking)... alas you stopped to the level of those you crucify on here.

I don't for a minute accept that Clattenburg acted "unprofesionally".
He happened to bump into Ferguson, the cameras were rolling and all he did was to act in a friendly manner.What was he supposed to do - turn his back and be rude ?

Do you honestly believe that there is a 'Berlin Wall' between managers and referees before games with both parties NOT allowed to be sociable with one another or indeed be in each other's company ? You don't see it on TV but it does happen.There might be a handshake, a bit of banter, some friendly chit-chat that's all, certainly nothing designed to influence the referee's decisions in the game.

We lost a cup final having taken the lead in the second half and couldn't beat 10 men in the end.All down to our failings yet people go on about Clattenburg being sociable to a former manager !!!!! Incredulous.

So, if you were up in court & just before your hearing the judge came up & hugged the prosecuting barrister like he was one of his best mates you'd not think that "unprofessional"?

After the event, fine. Before, misguided at best.

Edited by Nobbybm (03 May 2017 8.58am)

Will this be five? It's gonna be five! It IS five!

Oh come on - Ferguson was well known for his effect on referees and decisions. What happened before the game was not them 'bumping into each other' and saying "how do you do, old chap?" and shaking hands. They had a hug and a laugh and Ferguson pretended to stuff a wad of cash into Clattenburg's top pocket. That is unprofessional. It's not rude to tell Ferguson that this sort of joke before an FA Cup Final is not appropriate. But more to the point, why is their relationship such that Ferguson felt that it was okay to do that in the first place? They are clearly to chummy for him to think that's acceptable. It is one thing to be sociable, and it is another to be friends with each other. As I, and other posters have said, this would not stand in any other job where you have to be impartial. If a judge was seen being 'sociable' in this way, it would cause outcry.

Such blind following is dangerous, and reminds me of Orwell's "Animal Farm" (based on Stalin and the Russian Revolution) where the animals blindly follow those that were designated to lead and make the rules. The rules could then change subtly to allow the leaders to act as they wished. It is dangerous when people with that much power are given free reign over anything, much like how referees at most get 'demoted' a league, but never have to explain their controversial decisions.

You make any form of debate pointless, as you are so willing to understand things from a referees point of view, but fail to see it from the most basic angle, the unbiased truth. If it were an incident that happened before a match against Watford, Brighton, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool, Millwall (all teams I do not like) I would be saying the same. It was wrong of him, and of Ferguson.

I've attached a photo of that incident (I can only seem to attach one at a time), showing it was more than one friendly greeting as Ferguson pretends to stuff a wad into Clattenburg's pocket as the impartial referee enjoys being touched by his idol, his eyes glowing like an infant.

There is another one where Clattenburg looks at Ferguson with adoration, as shown in the picture where he is pointing at him like h is posing for a picture with his idol.

Attachment: ferguson-and-clattenburg.jpg (49.52Kb)

I thought you didn't do 'ad hominem' attacks? Yet you refuse to respond to my point, just attack the thought of it.