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 Hrolf The Ganger  11 Dec 18 8.45pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
And that is in the current deal so why is it not for you. Because it appears to be a Brexit in name only. Any deal which barely changes our current situation and just removes the power of our vote inside Europe is useless. We have to go with no deal and see what Brussels does then.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 11 Dec 18 8.59pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
And that is in the current deal so why is it not for you. Mrs May keeps telling us she has secured control over our borders and no ECJ interference, control over fishing rights etc. However none of this is true until the interim agreement is replaced by a trade deal which has yet to be agreed. Until then even after we "leave" we are still in the EU in all but name. When we negotiate the Trade deal the EU will try to control many aspects of our economy. We cannot threaten to just walk away as her deal does not have a termination clause. That is their trump card. I would prefer to leave next March and then negotiate a trade deal if the EU wants one. However I am pragmatic and would suffer another 2 years with this interim deal if it has an expiry date and an option to leave. That should concentrate the minds of both sides not to drag out a trade deal. Mrs May talks about the EU as a partner which is true but we are also business rivals so they want to punish us for leaving but also to ensure we cannot out compete them.
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| Mapletree Croydon 11 Dec 18 9.52pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
The question was not do we want Brexit but with the proviso that we can change our minds if everything is not perfect. At what point did you figure out that Brexit would not be without negatives? I'm certain that most people who voted leave were well aware of that when they voted. The information available now is no more clear than it was for the first vote. The fact that we are now some way down the road has changed nothing with regard to what will happen after Brexit. It cannot be predicted in the medium or long term. Your logic is garbage. I have noticed that you constantly belittle people, undermine them and call them names. Every post seems to include something like 'your logic is garbage'. This really is highly unpleasant. I am unsurprised you were removed from 'the other place'. On more than one occasion wasn't it? How in Heaven's name you haven't received a Yellow on this site beggars belief. Please stop with your ad hominem attacks, it ain't big and it ain't clever. It is tiresome and childish. Edited by Mapletree (11 Dec 2018 9.57pm)
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| steve1984 11 Dec 18 9.56pm | |
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well said.
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| Mapletree Croydon 11 Dec 18 9.56pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Jealousy is when you're worried someone's trying to take what you have and value....ie a jealous god is concerned to lose believers to false idols. Envy is when you want what someone else has.....which was the context you should have been using. Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Dec 2018 6.34pm) Let's try another example: This is from the Collins dictionary adjective Had I wished to say 'envious' clearly I would have. Indeed I agree that other countries are also envious of the City. But I was trying to get across the point that they are green and relatively impotent at the moment, not aspirational. In reality I suspect they will be able to move out of jealousy, through envy and into smugness in short order if this all progresses. Really, I do prefer to speak for myself. Edited by Mapletree (11 Dec 2018 10.01pm)
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| elgrande bedford 11 Dec 18 10.00pm |
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Originally posted by steve1984
well said. Says the man who has been sniping and belittling people since he turned up in his new guise.
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| Mapletree Croydon 11 Dec 18 10.01pm |
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Originally posted by elgrande
Says the man who has been sniping and belittling people since he turned up in his new guise. Who he?
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| steve1984 11 Dec 18 10.04pm | |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Who he? Apparently I'm a whole host of different people who have posted here in the past.
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cryrst  The garden of England 11 Dec 18 10.08pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Mrs May keeps telling us she has secured control over our borders and no ECJ interference, control over fishing rights etc. However none of this is true until the interim agreement is replaced by a trade deal which has yet to be agreed. Until then even after we "leave" we are still in the EU in all but name. When we negotiate the Trade deal the EU will try to control many aspects of our economy. We cannot threaten to just walk away as her deal does not have a termination clause. That is their trump card. I would prefer to leave next March and then negotiate a trade deal if the EU wants one. However I am pragmatic and would suffer another 2 years with this interim deal if it has an expiry date and an option to leave. That should concentrate the minds of both sides not to drag out a trade deal. Mrs May talks about the EU as a partner which is true but we are also business rivals so they want to punish us for leaving but also to ensure we cannot out compete them.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 11 Dec 18 10.08pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
I have noticed that you constantly belittle people, undermine them and call them names. Every post seems to include something like 'your logic is garbage'. This really is highly unpleasant. I am unsurprised you were removed from 'the other place'. On more than one occasion wasn't it? How in Heaven's name you haven't received a Yellow on this site beggars belief. Please stop with your ad hominem attacks, it ain't big and it ain't clever. It is tiresome and childish. Edited by Mapletree (11 Dec 2018 9.57pm) Nice try, Your agenda is clear for all to see. Find us an example of me calling someone a name. And let's be clear. I said your logic was garbage because your logic was garbage.
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| cryrst The garden of England 11 Dec 18 10.12pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Because it appears to be a Brexit in name only. Any deal which barely changes our current situation and just removes the power of our vote inside Europe is useless. We have to go with no deal and see what Brussels does then. It isnt though is it.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 11 Dec 18 10.14pm |
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Originally posted by steve1984
well said. Add hypocrisy to sockpuppetry and trolling on your rap sheet. Once again the most disruptive and accusatorial posters playing the victims.
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