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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 10 Apr 19 10.25am Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

Private health is taxed
Company cars are taxed
Life insurance is reflected in a slightly lower salary
And like the public sector dont do corporate hospitality yeah right.
And your overtime was still payed by the private tax payer.

I think you have fallen into the trap of putting all public sector workers in the same basket. There are Senior Civil Servants and there are the "bread and butter" workers.
When you say private tax payer, what do you mean? As a public sector worker believe it or not I also paid tax so, you could say, I paid for my own overtime (by the way in my job some of the overtime was unpaid).
With regard to pay rises, the public sector had a restriction on wage rises for the last 6-7 years I worked, I averaged less than 1% rise per year, taking into account inflation I was in fact, being paid less. George Osborne identified public sector workers as easy targets because, apart from possible the NHS and teachers, the perception from the public was that we did no work and were not value for money, a perception that obviously some on here have got.

 

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 10 Apr 19 10.27am Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

So if you weigh up the pros and cons from an economic perspective and conclude that Brexit is not a good idea, that makes you a staunch remainer?

Come on, it is well known that the multi-millionaire Phillip Hammond is a staunch remainer, why not just admit it

 

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Pussay Patrol Flag 10 Apr 19 10.35am

Originally posted by Spiderman

I think you have fallen into the trap of putting all public sector workers in the same basket. There are Senior Civil Servants and there are the "bread and butter" workers.
When you say private tax payer, what do you mean? As a public sector worker believe it or not I also paid tax so, you could say, I paid for my own overtime (by the way in my job some of the overtime was unpaid).
With regard to pay rises, the public sector had a restriction on wage rises for the last 6-7 years I worked, I averaged less than 1% rise per year, taking into account inflation I was in fact, being paid less. George Osborne identified public sector workers as easy targets because, apart from possible the NHS and teachers, the perception from the public was that we did no work and were not value for money, a perception that obviously some on here have got.

Perceptions stoked up by the media to play one set of people against another with the notion that because public sector workers pay is paid for out of taxes that some how they are stealing a living to fuel the race to the bottom argument

 


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Pussay Patrol Flag 10 Apr 19 10.48am

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

Is GDP literally the only thing you care about?
Do you realise alot of people voted leave regardless of GDP, you know it was their legal right to leave on reasons other than GDP. please acknowledge that.

It's hard to make a credible case for leaving the EU if you can't show how you would better off financially

 


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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 10 Apr 19 10.51am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

Perceptions stoked up by the media to play one set of people against another with the notion that because public sector workers pay is paid for out of taxes that some how they are stealing a living to fuel the race to the bottom argument

I used to be a moderator on another forum running on vbulletin software. We had a user group on that forum called "Coventry" and if anyone was sent to Coventry all of his posts were invisible to everyone except himself so he could go on merrily posting crap never realising that no-one else had to suffer reading it.

If we had that user group here you would be the first person to be put in it so that no-one would have to read your banalities any more

 

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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol


It's hard to make a credible case for leaving the EU if you can't show how you would better off financially

Are you saying that battered wives should stay with their husbands as they are financially better off there?

 

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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

It's hard to make a credible case for leaving the EU if you can't show how you would better off financially

You ask this or a variation thereof over and over again.

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 10 Apr 19 11.53am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

Perceptions stoked up by the media to play one set of people against another with the notion that because public sector workers pay is paid for out of taxes that some how they are stealing a living to fuel the race to the bottom argument

I didnt say that at all.
public sector pensions are better than could be had privately.
Thats a fact.
The wages being slightly lower does not correlate to the amount in the pension pot.
This is why the pay rises are 1%.
If the pension was a set amount and not linked to pay then a bigger rise would be financially viable.
Having your cake and eating it comes to mind.

 

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Pussay Patrol Flag 10 Apr 19 12.01pm

Originally posted by cryrst

I didnt say that at all.
public sector pensions are better than could be had privately.
Thats a fact.
The wages being slightly lower does not correlate to the amount in the pension pot.
This is why the pay rises are 1%.
If the pension was a set amount and not linked to pay then a bigger rise would be financially viable.
Having your cake and eating it comes to mind.

Perhaps, it's just that I would argue we should fight so we all get better pay and pensions rather than others don't deserve it and therefore they should get less. Then everyone gets less.

 


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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 10 Apr 19 12.06pm Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol


Perhaps, it's just that I would argue we should fight so we all get better pay and pensions rather than others don't deserve it and therefore they should get less. Then everyone gets less.

You are Nick Gussett and I claim my £10

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 10 Apr 19 12.15pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

You are Nick Gussett and I claim my £10

That could be £10.02 if it weren’t for all those billionaires hogging the money.

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 10 Apr 19 12.25pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

Perhaps, it's just that I would argue we should fight so we all get better pay and pensions rather than others don't deserve it and therefore they should get less. Then everyone gets less.

Does that first word actually mean you agree.
Wow a first.
Anyhow everyone has less after the people with more get it taken from them; so we are all equally poor.
Labours manifesto pledge.
A totally feel good future.

 

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