To you HOL seems like a game, a game of wind up.
If you didnt have people with their POV you would be arguing about traffic lights out of sequence or the length of dog leads.
To everyone involved it was about win or lose and some very clever people still term it as such.
The news reports on 24th June all used the terminology. Remain lost and I voted for the losers but now suspect there is more at play.
300 or so of our 'chosen' high and mighty are preventing the winners getting what they won.
And a few rich business people and lords or whichever they are called.
The political terminology and 'how our politics work' analogies went out of the window. We dont have a written constitution as such. It is mainly done on the hoof. At least in the USA it is black and white.
In the UK it is whomever shouts loudest.
That something in play I said could well be a pride thing with some who are stopping brexit.
Maybe the project fear was actually project 'we are getting torn one, when the public see we can be better on our own'.
No actually proof of how bad it can be along with the fact we can ask to rejoin once we Brexit IF it goes south.
Any rules we would have to accept to rejoin are coming our way in time anyhow.

I am only interested in discussing serious things seriously and nothing is so serious as the future of our country. Having been a member here since it started of course I contribute especially when I see attitudes which are likely to damage that future, but I use other forums too. Don't bother looking.

So this is far from a game.If you want to discuss traffic lights or dog leads I won't be joining in. You can carry on uninterrupted.

This site never changes. Someone comes on with a different view to the one expressed in your echo chamber, and does so in a mature, reasonable way. Then you gang up and take the piss, like school kids. Then you complain when we leave and you have no one to rant at!

Classic HOL

But why should Leavers compromise? I hate to labour the point but we won. 'Compromise' might be between different views of how our future relationship with the EU pans out but that future has to be outside of it. One less star on the flag. No more MEP's.

And I fully understand your constant point about our Parliamentary democracy. Hence why I struggle to comprehend why you seem to ignore the reality that Parliament voted in huge numbers to give us this vote in the first place and then voted in huge numbers to start the process off, with nothing in that about the necessity of a deal. And then, in the 2017, 80% of votes cast for political parties promising to honour it.

If Parliament wants to revoke A50 then that is their right. Let them do it. Let them s*** all over us. Or, and this is the simplest option, give us another GE.

But there is no compromise over Remain. That option lost. Was rejected on June 23rd.

We only move on as a nation once we have left. Until then, nothing other than anger from those of us voted Leave and expect that to be honoured, just as we were promised.

As I have patiently tried to explain you didn't "win". No-one won. The referendum meant we all lost. We lost trust in each other and some lost faith in Parliament. There are no winners or losers in a Parliamentary democracy. This idea that it's settled by a score line, like a game of football, is causing you a lot of anger and angst and until you get over it you are not going to feel any better.

I totally agree that the Parliamentary votes to hold the referendum, trigger Article 50 and each Party's undertakings to respect the result created expectations which have not yet been realised. There are though good reasons for that. Reasons which you might not agree with but that Parliament does, and it's their responsibility, not yours or mine.

It will move on. Probably at a GE quite soon. Whether it gets sorted out then is an open question. It depends on the Parliament we choose and whether they can come to an agreement. I suspect there is a good chance you will get your way, with the Tories, the DUP and the Brexit Party having enough votes to force a "no deal" exit before they break apart again. Whatever happens it's going to get very messy.

All caused by a referendum I didn't want in the first place designed for internal Tory Party politics.

I like discussing, can we discuss about the word leave in relation to brexit. Lovely word that LEAVE. just in case you missed my previous post Wisbeck
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Try and understand what David is saying and then understand why so many people detest your views and see you as a trator.

Edited by dannyboy1978 (02 Oct 2019 10.35am)