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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 29 Oct 19 1.59pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

This election will be about Brexit.
Vote Tory to get Brexit done.
Vote Liberal to cancel Brexit.

Voting Labour will mean another pointless referendum and potentially, years more feuding about Brexit and the undermining of our democracy.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (29 Oct 2019 1.18pm)

Labour's sit on the fence policy is about to explode in their face. Why would a Remainer vote Labour it is still possible that a Corbyn government would Brexit. At the very least he would drag it out.

At least Lib Dems are clear on their policy.

The fly in the ointment for Leavers is Farage. He doesn't believe in Boris' deal, neither do I, so it depends on how he reacts. He can hurt either Labour or the Tories, my hope is that he targets soft Labour seats and leaves the conservatives alone. If he does that Boris will walk it although the Tories will be wiped out in Scotland.

 


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W12 29 Oct 19 1.59pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

This election will be about Brexit.
Vote Tory to get Brexit done.
Vote Liberal to cancel Brexit.

Voting Labour will mean another pointless referendum and potentially, years more feuding about Brexit and the undermining of our democracy.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (29 Oct 2019 1.18pm)

I believe that would be a terminal mistake for Brexit.

If Boris wins a majority then this terrible "deal" will get voted through. This will shackle the country and ultimately lead us to re-join the EU as Brexit is re-branded as a failed experiment by the media. I see the current WA actually as remain's plan B.

Vote Brexit party, I really think they could either win a majority or hold enough seats to hold sway with the Tories and force a clean break.

Plan B for leave (strangely) is probably a Lib Dem government (with the help of the all the other anti Brexit parties) trying to revoke A50. Then we can legitimately throw the whole lot of them into the Thames.

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 29 Oct 19 2.00pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by DANGERCLOSE

The turkeys have finally agreed that they can't avoid the Christmas dinner table forever. Corbyn will be sacked by Christmas. The Tories and Brexit Party combined, will annihilate Labour, Lib Dems and SNP, who will each suffer devastating and humiliating losses. Another wonderful outcome is that there'll be no Bercow, no more Speaker, scheming and plotting against the people.


I really hope so because the opposition parties abuse of Parliament and their attempts to overturn democracy deserve punishing.

 

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W12 29 Oct 19 2.06pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Labour's sit on the fence policy is about to explode in their face. Why would a Remainer vote Labour it is still possible that a Corbyn government would Brexit. At the very least he would drag it out.

At least Lib Dems are clear on their policy.

The fly in the ointment for Leavers is Farage. He doesn't believe in Boris' deal, neither do I, so it depends on how he reacts. He can hurt either Labour or the Tories, my hope is that he targets soft Labour seats and leaves the conservatives alone. If he does that Boris will walk it although the Tories will be wiped out in Scotland.

I've got a feeling the SNP will get destroyed in the next election. I can't believe the average Jock had any idea how awful they are until the performances of Blackford and Co over Brexit. They have really revealed their far left agenda and all their ridiculous chicanery.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 29 Oct 19 2.10pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by W12

"Tired old views" is not an argument.

The world has not just changed of it's own accord, the world has been changed by people that do not represent the interests of the indigenous population of England (and the other home nations) and literally the one time we've been given an opportunity to change that, the result is being reversed.

Yet again you are suggesting that this view is just based on ignorance and racism and on that basis your views are disgusting to me.


Edited by W12 (29 Oct 2019 11.11am)

Wrong in every way.

The world has evolved. No-one has planned it to happen this way, either here or anywhere else. Trying to keep the UK isolated from the effects would be a totally pointless and self defeating exercise. Much better to embrace the opportunities and exploit them.

If you really think Brexit will have any impact on that then you are being completely unrealistic. It won't. Indeed it could easily have precisely the opposite effect.

I have not suggested anyone is now ignorant or racist. I have said that was the reasoning back in my parent's time and that it was understandable. We aren't like that now. We are better educated and aware of the issues of racism, or at least most of us are. What I asked was what is your excuse, although you might describe it as your reason. Let's see.

 


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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 29 Oct 19 2.11pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by W12

I believe that would be a terminal mistake for Brexit.

If Boris wins a majority then this terrible "deal" will get voted through. This will shackle the country and ultimately lead us to re-join the EU as Brexit is re-branded as a failed experiment by the media. I see the current WA actually as remain's plan B.

Vote Brexit party, I really think they could either win a majority or hold enough seats to hold sway with the Tories and force a clean break.

Plan B for leave (strangely) is probably a Lib Dem government (with the help of the all the other anti Brexit parties) trying to revoke A50. Then we can legitimately throw the whole lot of them into the Thames.

I'm very happy for people to vote Brexit party in the seats where they can win or at the expense of Labour.
I'm all for no deal but the Brexit party need to play clever to get what they want.

We need a Leave majority.

 

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W12 29 Oct 19 2.18pm

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Can't see how any British soldier could serve under a Corbyn led government.

I doubt the soldiers Labour would be trying to recruit will be the type that will be looking to uphold our proud traditions. I can almost picture the recruiting adds full of androgynous man children, blue haired superwomen and smiley faced minorities. It's the only institution left that is still capable and still has a significant number of people that are loyal to this country and something that they will be actively looking to change as a priority.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 29 Oct 19 2.21pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Matov

Oppositions are meant to want elections.



Not necessarily. Oppositions want to change things and they cannot do that unless they have the power to do so. Timing in these circumstances is vital.

Labour need to dump Corbyn to stand any chance of even leading a coalition at present. If they go into a GE with him in charge it will be a walkover and we will end up with a bad Brexit and 5 more years of a Johnson led hard right Tory government in hock to Trump.

That isn't a prospect that fills my heart with joyous expectations. It could take generations to recover from and with us having to beg the EU for reentry as England and Wales, and not the UK, and truly once again the sick man of Europe.

Dark days between now and Christmas in more ways than one.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (29 Oct 2019 2.25pm)

 


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W12 29 Oct 19 2.30pm

So now they have voted to allow any MP to amend the bill for a December election.

This will apparently include amendments to change the date or allow 16-18 year olds to vote.

We need a revolution.

 

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View dannyboy1978's Profile dannyboy1978 Flag 29 Oct 19 2.36pm Send a Private Message to dannyboy1978 Add dannyboy1978 as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Wrong in every way.

The world has evolved. No-one has planned it to happen this way, either here or anywhere else. Trying to keep the UK isolated from the effects would be a totally pointless and self defeating exercise. Much better to embrace the opportunities and exploit them.

If you really think Brexit will have any impact on that then you are being completely unrealistic. It won't. Indeed it could easily have precisely the opposite effect.

I have not suggested anyone is now ignorant or racist. I have said that was the reasoning back in my parent's time and that it was understandable. We aren't like that now. We are better educated and aware of the issues of racism, or at least most of us are. What I asked was what is your excuse, although you might describe it as your reason. Let's see.

Are you sure your not an imigrant your self,
Its all very traitorous what you say!

And the second point your spot on! People are fully aware that racism has nothing to do with rejecting mass imigration! It's only the left that try and engineer that double negative.


 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 29 Oct 19 2.45pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by W12

I've got a feeling the SNP will get destroyed in the next election. I can't believe the average Jock had any idea how awful they are until the performances of Blackford and Co over Brexit. They have really revealed their far left agenda and all their ridiculous chicanery.

More worryingly than that if I was Scots is the huge amount of debt they have run up whilst in office. Without the UK they are close to being bankrupt.

Edited by Badger11 (29 Oct 2019 2.45pm)

 


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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 29 Oct 19 2.48pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle


Not necessarily. Oppositions want to change things and they cannot do that unless they have the power to do so. Timing in these circumstances is vital.

Labour need to dump Corbyn to stand any chance of even leading a coalition at present. If they go into a GE with him in charge it will be a walkover and we will end up with a bad Brexit and 5 more years of a Johnson led hard right Tory government in hock to Trump.

That isn't a prospect that fills my heart with joyous expectations. It could take generations to recover from and with us having to beg the EU for reentry as England and Wales, and not the UK, and truly once again the sick man of Europe.

Dark days between now and Christmas in more ways than one.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (29 Oct 2019 2.25pm)

We were the sick man of Europe after we joined the Common Market, Labour boy.

 

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