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PatrickA London 19 Feb 21 1.49pm
Broadly I’m in agreement with your post WJK. It’s not so much that I don’t think well of Hodgson but it’s more the level of hyperbole around his achievements that I struggle with. I was at the Chelsea victory and it was a tactical masterclass with Chelsea totally confused by the fluidity of our play. I also was fortunate enough to witness the away victories under Hodgson at Man City and Arsenal and said to my family at the time to make the most of it as these were once in 20 years type experiences. Probably an 8 out of 10 to Hodgson for the first few years, particularly with the constraints others have highlighted. Since the back end of last season though there are worrying signs. Some really terrible performances with Hodgson looking clueless as to how remedy the situation. He’s moved to a 442 which has left us vulnerable in defence and central midfield. It’s easy to blame our strikers, but how much service is provided to them in reality. We have no attacking threat without Zaha and as manager Hodgson should surely have addressed this situation by now so that we have an alternative way of threatening the opposition. I’m not advocating that he be sacked, merely that for all parties concerned it may be better to have a parting of the ways at the end of the season. If he leaves and it all goes ‘belly up’ I may look back at his tenure fondly!
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PatrickA

London 19 Feb 21 1.49pm

Broadly I’m in agreement with your post WJK.
It’s not so much that I don’t think well of Hodgson but it’s more the level of hyperbole around his achievements that I struggle with.
I was at the Chelsea victory and it was a tactical masterclass with Chelsea totally confused by the fluidity of our play.
I also was fortunate enough to witness the away victories under Hodgson at Man City and Arsenal and said to my family at the time to make the most of it as these were once in 20 years type experiences.
Probably an 8 out of 10 to Hodgson for the first few years, particularly with the constraints others have highlighted.
Since the back end of last season though there are worrying signs.
Some really terrible performances with Hodgson looking clueless as to how remedy the situation.
He’s moved to a 442 which has left us vulnerable in defence and central midfield.
It’s easy to blame our strikers, but how much service is provided to them in reality.
We have no attacking threat without Zaha and as manager Hodgson should surely have addressed this situation by now so that we have an alternative way of threatening the opposition.
I’m not advocating that he be sacked, merely that for all parties concerned it may be better to have a parting of the ways at the end of the season.
If he leaves and it all goes ‘belly up’ I may look back at his tenure fondly!

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HKOwen Hong Kong 19 Feb 21 11.51pm
Exactly Willo, exactly. They were desperate times and thankfully Roy steered us to safety. Originally posted by Willo Although Mr Hodgson joined after 4 games,after 7 games we had lost the lot and not scored a solitary goal which was a 'first' in the PL. We only won 1 of our first 12 games and were firm favourites for relegation.It was only in our 17th game,home to Watford, when a 2-1 win saw us off the bottom for the first time,accordingly we were bottom for nearly half the season. We finished 11th which was a creditable feat given the above. Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.
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HKOwen

Hong Kong 19 Feb 21 11.51pm

Exactly Willo, exactly. They were desperate times and thankfully Roy steered us to safety.

Originally posted by Willo

Although Mr Hodgson joined after 4 games,after 7 games we had lost the lot and not scored a solitary goal which was a 'first' in the PL.

We only won 1 of our first 12 games and were firm favourites for relegation.It was only in our 17th game,home to Watford, when a 2-1 win saw us off the bottom for the first time,accordingly we were bottom for nearly half the season.

We finished 11th which was a creditable feat given the above.

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

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HKOwen Hong Kong 19 Feb 21 11.55pm
Where's the rolling eyes emoji when you need it? Hyperbole, is that your word of the week ? And you struggle with it? JHFC It's a free board and opinions are just that, as with sphincters, everybody has one. Originally posted by PatrickA Broadly I’m in agreement with your post WJK. It’s not so much that I don’t think well of Hodgson but it’s more the level of hyperbole around his achievements that I struggle with. I was at the Chelsea victory and it was a tactical masterclass with Chelsea totally confused by the fluidity of our play. I also was fortunate enough to witness the away victories under Hodgson at Man City and Arsenal and said to my family at the time to make the most of it as these were once in 20 years type experiences. Probably an 8 out of 10 to Hodgson for the first few years, particularly with the constraints others have highlighted. Since the back end of last season though there are worrying signs. Some really terrible performances with Hodgson looking clueless as to how remedy the situation. He’s moved to a 442 which has left us vulnerable in defence and central midfield. It’s easy to blame our strikers, but how much service is provided to them in reality. We have no attacking threat without Zaha and as manager Hodgson should surely have addressed this situation by now so that we have an alternative way of threatening the opposition. I’m not advocating that he be sacked, merely that for all parties concerned it may be better to have a parting of the ways at the end of the season. If he leaves and it all goes ‘belly up’ I may look back at his tenure fondly! Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.
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HKOwen

Hong Kong 19 Feb 21 11.55pm

Where's the rolling eyes emoji when you need it?

Hyperbole, is that your word of the week ? And you struggle with it? JHFC

It's a free board and opinions are just that, as with sphincters, everybody has one.

Originally posted by PatrickA

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spartakev2 Anerley 20 Feb 21 8.58am
Originally posted by PatrickA Broadly I’m in agreement with your post WJK. It’s not so much that I don’t think well of Hodgson but it’s more the level of hyperbole around his achievements that I struggle with. I was at the Chelsea victory and it was a tactical masterclass with Chelsea totally confused by the fluidity of our play. I also was fortunate enough to witness the away victories under Hodgson at Man City and Arsenal and said to my family at the time to make the most of it as these were once in 20 years type experiences. Probably an 8 out of 10 to Hodgson for the first few years, particularly with the constraints others have highlighted. Since the back end of last season though there are worrying signs. Some really terrible performances with Hodgson looking clueless as to how remedy the situation. He’s moved to a 442 which has left us vulnerable in defence and central midfield. It’s easy to blame our strikers, but how much service is provided to them in reality. We have no attacking threat without Zaha and as manager Hodgson should surely have addressed this situation by now so that we have an alternative way of threatening the opposition. I’m not advocating that he be sacked, merely that for all parties concerned it may be better to have a parting of the ways at the end of the season. If he leaves and it all goes ‘belly up’ I may look back at his tenure fondly! this is the bit i really dont understand. Hes changed to 442 to presumably make us more of a threat going forward while weakening us defensively. While its weakened us defensively, it hasn't made much difference going forward. Most games we have started with wilf benteke, ayew and eze, with PVA getting forward, and we still rarely look a threat. So are these players not good enough, or is it tactics/training. And as its clearly not working why on earth hadn't he changed it to stop us leaking goals.
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spartakev2

Anerley 20 Feb 21 8.58am

Originally posted by PatrickA

Broadly I’m in agreement with your post WJK.
It’s not so much that I don’t think well of Hodgson but it’s more the level of hyperbole around his achievements that I struggle with.
I was at the Chelsea victory and it was a tactical masterclass with Chelsea totally confused by the fluidity of our play.
I also was fortunate enough to witness the away victories under Hodgson at Man City and Arsenal and said to my family at the time to make the most of it as these were once in 20 years type experiences.
Probably an 8 out of 10 to Hodgson for the first few years, particularly with the constraints others have highlighted.
Since the back end of last season though there are worrying signs.
Some really terrible performances with Hodgson looking clueless as to how remedy the situation.
He’s moved to a 442 which has left us vulnerable in defence and central midfield.
It’s easy to blame our strikers, but how much service is provided to them in reality.
We have no attacking threat without Zaha and as manager Hodgson should surely have addressed this situation by now so that we have an alternative way of threatening the opposition.
I’m not advocating that he be sacked, merely that for all parties concerned it may be better to have a parting of the ways at the end of the season.
If he leaves and it all goes ‘belly up’ I may look back at his tenure fondly!

this is the bit i really dont understand. Hes changed to 442 to presumably make us more of a threat going forward while weakening us defensively. While its weakened us defensively, it hasn't made much difference going forward. Most games we have started with wilf benteke, ayew and eze, with PVA getting forward, and we still rarely look a threat. So are these players not good enough, or is it tactics/training. And as its clearly not working why on earth hadn't he changed it to stop us leaking goals.

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aashman12 20 Feb 21 9.16am
Originally posted by eagleheath Great e mail Dazza. Ignore the haters . Maybe it’s time our disinterested chairman received a few more e mails like this and then maybe just maybe he will take his head out of the sand. Disinterested, what a crock of s***.
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20 Feb 21 9.16am

Originally posted by eagleheath

Great e mail Dazza. Ignore the haters . Maybe it’s time our disinterested chairman received a few more e mails like this and then maybe just maybe he will take his head out of the sand.

Disinterested, what a crock of s***.

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PatrickA London 20 Feb 21 9.17am
There have been spells where 442 worked well for him. Think in particular where he used Cabaye and in form Luka in the central positions with Mcarthur tucked in on the right and RLC tucked in on the left. We had more control in midfield as essentially they were four proper midfield players and Mcarthur and RLC were quite adaptable. Recently Hodgson has tried Ayew and PVA there and it just hasn’t worked. We also have an out of form Luka and a relatively inexperienced Luka in the central areas. This is why we would probably look more secure at the moment if they were bolstered with the addition of Mcarthy and Kouyate to at least make us more competitive and less prone to being outnumbered.
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PatrickA

London 20 Feb 21 9.17am

There have been spells where 442 worked well for him.
Think in particular where he used Cabaye and in form Luka in the central positions with Mcarthur tucked in on the right and RLC tucked in on the left.
We had more control in midfield as essentially they were four proper midfield players and Mcarthur and RLC were quite adaptable.
Recently Hodgson has tried Ayew and PVA there and it just hasn’t worked.
We also have an out of form Luka and a relatively inexperienced Luka in the central areas.
This is why we would probably look more secure at the moment if they were bolstered with the addition of Mcarthy and Kouyate to at least make us more competitive and less prone to being outnumbered.

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Midlands Eagle 20 Feb 21 9.24am
Originally posted by aashman12 what a crock of s***. A quick review of your posting history makes me wonder whether you are referring to your own posts as almost all of them seem to be insulting others who you don't agree with
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20 Feb 21 9.24am

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Originally posted by aashman12

what a crock of s***.

A quick review of your posting history makes me wonder whether you are referring to your own posts as almost all of them seem to be insulting others who you don't agree with

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