Coronavirus and the impact of Lockdown policy
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 SW19 CPFC  Addiscombe West 09 Mar 23 5.32pm |
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Teddy Eagle  09 Mar 23 6.18pm |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
I'm still not clear on what's being said here. Are you saying that there should have been no cost or impact as a result of COVID? Because that's how it comes across... as though there should have been no impact at all. Maybe you mean it would have been better if the cost/impact had been less, sure, don't think anyone can disagree with that. But 'we' and future generations would still have negative impacts do deal with even if we'd managed to spend half the amount we did. Also on the selfish point... at the time I viewed people deciding not to have the vaccine and then going on to freely mix with anyone and everyone of all ages with joyful abandon and no care, selfish. I still stand by that. There was also a correlation between the people I knew that didn't want to be vaccinated also being deadly anti-rules, therefore more likely to be the ones spreading it around. So yeah I thought that was fair then and I stand by that. Should they have been demonised? No. Should they have been open to criticism? Sure. Free speech and all that. Works both ways. I view it as no different from calling someone who decides not to have a flu jab in a bad flu season selfish... ultimately it's their choice but it increases the risk of others getting infected. Edited by SW19 CPFC (09 Mar 2023 5.23pm) All I meant is that it seems more selfish to brush off the fact that young people, who were at very low risk from Covid, will be paying for it for many many years than it does for some people to refuse vaccination.
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 eaglesdare 09 Mar 23 6.45pm |
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People calling people selfish for not taking the vaccine does not really make sense! As the vaccine does not stop transmission at all! It's science. It's actually selfish of people to demand other people to get vaccinated. Why should anyone have to risk side effects of a vaccine if they don't want to over satisfying the fear of someone else when they can still transmit and carry the virus just as much as a vaxxed person. Also still awaiting if to hear if a blood clot is serious or not. I guess not! Edited by eaglesdare (09 Mar 2023 8.01pm)
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Nicholas91  The Democratic Republic of Kent 09 Mar 23 7.59pm |
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Originally posted by eaglesdare
People calling people selfish for not taking the vaccine does not really make sense! As the vaccine does not stop transmission at all! It's plane science. It's actually selfish of people to demand other people to get vaccinated. Why should anyone have to risk side effects of a vaccine if they don't want to over satisfying the fear of someone else when they can still transmit and carry the virus just as much as a vaxxed person. Also still awaiting if to hear if a blood clot is serious or not. I guess not! Sorry, couldn’t help myself!
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| eaglesdare 09 Mar 23 8.02pm |
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Dam auto correct :-)
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| Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 09 Mar 23 8.39pm |
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Originally posted by eaglesdare
Dam auto correct :-)
We’ve all been victims!
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 09 Mar 23 9.49pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Still seems excessive to call people who make an informed decision not to get vaccinated selfish whilst expecting the next generation to pay for lockdowns after having had their education severely interrupted and seeing the number of businesses which have closed and unknown future problems as an acceptable price to pay. As the decision wasn't "informed" but "misinformed", that argument falls at the first hurdle. You have only to read some of the comments in this thread to know that some of the reasoning is badly off-centre. The selfishness oozes from them. There is no acceptance that their activity has the potential to affect others. Not just through the possible infection of others but because, without being vaccinated, you risk any infection being worse and requiring more NHS resource. Resource that would have been available to others if you had been vaccinated. No, they are selfish. All their arguments are about being free to make a personal choice, without any regard for others. That's classic selfishness. We are all paying for the lockdowns. We are all in this together.
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| Teddy Eagle 09 Mar 23 9.56pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
As the decision wasn't "informed" but "misinformed", that argument falls at the first hurdle. You have only to read some of the comments in this thread to know that some of the reasoning is badly off-centre. The selfishness oozes from them. There is no acceptance that their activity has the potential to affect others. Not just through the possible infection of others but because, without being vaccinated, you risk any infection being worse and requiring more NHS resource. Resource that would have been available to others if you had been vaccinated. No, they are selfish. All their arguments are about being free to make a personal choice, without any regard for others. That's classic selfishness. We are all paying for the lockdowns. We are all in this together. Picking on one word is just daft. Nobody refused vaccination on a whim; their choice was informed.
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| Teddy Eagle 09 Mar 23 10.02pm |
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Another article to argue with.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 09 Mar 23 10.21pm |
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Originally posted by eaglesdare
People calling people selfish for not taking the vaccine does not really make sense! As the vaccine does not stop transmission at all! It's science. It's actually selfish of people to demand other people to get vaccinated. Why should anyone have to risk side effects of a vaccine if they don't want to over satisfying the fear of someone else when they can still transmit and carry the virus just as much as a vaxxed person. Also still awaiting if to hear if a blood clot is serious or not. I guess not! Edited by eaglesdare (09 Mar 2023 8.01pm) If that was really true, and was known at the time that the vaccines were made available, you would still be selfish for refusing. It remains questionable if it is really true. It seems that the protection offered by the vaccines declines quite quickly, when infections can happen again, but before that they don't happen. The vaccines do protect against severe disease, which is great for the vaccinated, but also for everyone. A less virulent infection produces less coughing and sneezing and generally less virus expulsion. Less virus equals less potential to spread. Not stopping the transmission isn't, and never was, the point. It's reducing it that is. That though is only half the reason you are selfish. The unvaccinated are more likely to suffer severe disease, which in turn demands more NHS resource which would not be necessary if they were vaccinated. Clogging up the NHS just because you are free to do so is selfish. There is a small risk attached to anything, but there is a huge risk in not getting vaccinated. Much bigger than any risk from any side effect. Of course a blood clot is very serious. What isn't is the risk of getting one from being vaccinated. Falling down the stairs and breaking your neck is very serious. It is also much more likely than getting a blood clot from being vaccinated. So unless you never use the stairs you are already taking a bigger risk than you would if you stopped being selfish.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 09 Mar 23 10.42pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Picking on one word is just daft. Nobody refused vaccination on a whim; their choice was informed. Those who equate misinformation with real information think they are informed. They can think as long as they want, and not act on a whim, but unless the source of their information is tried, tested and trustworthy then they risk using misinformation. As many seem to use sources which are illogical and have particular agendas and world views it's unsurprising to me to read some of the claptrap claims. I don't expect anyone who was at minimal risk to pay for anything. We took the best decisions we could, based on the expert consensus at the time. The enquiry will decide what lessons need to be learned and the government will decide how we manage the recovery. Just as governments have done in the past. I don't, and didn't, detect anything selfish involved when those decisions were made and should additional funding now be required to enable students to catch up I would support it. The national debt is bourne by us all. We have all had some to bear over the years. The pandemic wasn't anyone's fault and isn't fair to anyone, but it could not be ignored and there would have been a significant cost whatever decisions were taken.
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| Teddy Eagle 09 Mar 23 11.04pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Those who equate misinformation with real information think they are informed. They can think as long as they want, and not act on a whim, but unless the source of their information is tried, tested and trustworthy then they risk using misinformation. As many seem to use sources which are illogical and have particular agendas and world views it's unsurprising to me to read some of the claptrap claims. I don't expect anyone who was at minimal risk to pay for anything. We took the best decisions we could, based on the expert consensus at the time. The enquiry will decide what lessons need to be learned and the government will decide how we manage the recovery. Just as governments have done in the past. I don't, and didn't, detect anything selfish involved when those decisions were made and should additional funding now be required to enable students to catch up I would support it. The national debt is bourne by us all. We have all had some to bear over the years. The pandemic wasn't anyone's fault and isn't fair to anyone, but it could not be ignored and there would have been a significant cost whatever decisions were taken. And yet boosters are now only being offered to - adults aged 75 years and over
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