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eaglesdare 16 Jun 23 9.03am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle That's simply untrue. My own daughter has faced this with her child and was very concerned. Both have been very well supported by the school and everyone else involved. There is nothing but praise from her. No decisions have been made, but lots of assessments and advice are being given. Time is being taken and a way found for everyone to be comfortable and much happier than they were. If you suggested she was a pedophile to my daughter, to her face, I think you would be well advised to run as fast as you can. Why is it not true? It's true for parents my area. Fair play to your daughter for standing up and being concerned and expressing her views. I am not saying the teachers are pedophiles. What I am saying is those with power are trying to normalise pedophilia. Phrases like "young person attracted" instead of peodophile is an attempt to normalise it. That and the added sex curriculum for primary school and infant children.
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eaglesdare

16 Jun 23 9.03am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That's simply untrue. My own daughter has faced this with her child and was very concerned. Both have been very well supported by the school and everyone else involved. There is nothing but praise from her. No decisions have been made, but lots of assessments and advice are being given. Time is being taken and a way found for everyone to be comfortable and much happier than they were.

If you suggested she was a pedophile to my daughter, to her face, I think you would be well advised to run as fast as you can.

Why is it not true? It's true for parents my area. Fair play to your daughter for standing up and being concerned and expressing her views.

I am not saying the teachers are pedophiles. What I am saying is those with power are trying to normalise pedophilia. Phrases like "young person attracted" instead of peodophile is an attempt to normalise it. That and the added sex curriculum for primary school and infant children.

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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 16 Jun 23 9.41am
Originally posted by Matov The R.O.I descent is shocking. Almost as if the globalists took what was perhaps the most socially Conservative nation in Western Europe and used it as an experiment to see how swiftly they could dismantle that. And the project has clearly been a sucessful one. Is it not more that a generation growing up in a particularly socially conservative place have felt stifled by that and therefore pushed harder the other way? The young in Ireland have seen what an overly conservative, religious society looks like and, rightly or wrongly, have voted for a more progressive path.
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Originally posted by Matov

The R.O.I descent is shocking. Almost as if the globalists took what was perhaps the most socially Conservative nation in Western Europe and used it as an experiment to see how swiftly they could dismantle that.

And the project has clearly been a sucessful one.

Is it not more that a generation growing up in a particularly socially conservative place have felt stifled by that and therefore pushed harder the other way?

The young in Ireland have seen what an overly conservative, religious society looks like and, rightly or wrongly, have voted for a more progressive path.

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eaglesdare 16 Jun 23 9.53am
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow Is it not more that a generation growing up in a particularly socially conservative place have felt stifled by that and therefore pushed harder the other way? The young in Ireland have seen what an overly conservative, religious society looks like and, rightly or wrongly, have voted for a more progressive path. Ireland does whatever the EU tells them to do. The EU tell them to jump and Ireland says how far.
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16 Jun 23 9.53am

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Is it not more that a generation growing up in a particularly socially conservative place have felt stifled by that and therefore pushed harder the other way?

The young in Ireland have seen what an overly conservative, religious society looks like and, rightly or wrongly, have voted for a more progressive path.

Ireland does whatever the EU tells them to do. The EU tell them to jump and Ireland says how far.

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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 16 Jun 23 10.26am
Originally posted by eaglesdare Ireland does whatever the EU tells them to do. The EU tell them to jump and Ireland says how far. The EU don't vote in the elections though. My point was more just trying to explain the cultural shift in Ireland beyond just vaguely hinting at globalists - we're already seeing a bit of swing back the other way with the resistance to migrants and no doubt this will be reflected in the next set of elections.
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SE19 16 Jun 23 10.26am

Originally posted by eaglesdare

Ireland does whatever the EU tells them to do. The EU tell them to jump and Ireland says how far.

The EU don't vote in the elections though.

My point was more just trying to explain the cultural shift in Ireland beyond just vaguely hinting at globalists - we're already seeing a bit of swing back the other way with the resistance to migrants and no doubt this will be reflected in the next set of elections.

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eaglesdare 16 Jun 23 11.01am
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow The EU don't vote in the elections though. My point was more just trying to explain the cultural shift in Ireland beyond just vaguely hinting at globalists - we're already seeing a bit of swing back the other way with the resistance to migrants and no doubt this will be reflected in the next set of elections. Thats fair enough. Guess my point is that whatever way the vote goes the politicians are still the EUs lapdogs and still do whatever they are told.
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eaglesdare

16 Jun 23 11.01am

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

The EU don't vote in the elections though.

Thats fair enough. Guess my point is that whatever way the vote goes the politicians are still the EUs lapdogs and still do whatever they are told.

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Stirlingsays 16 Jun 23 12.00pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow Is it not more that a generation growing up in a particularly socially conservative place have felt stifled by that and therefore pushed harder the other way? The young in Ireland have seen what an overly conservative, religious society looks like and, rightly or wrongly, have voted for a more progressive path. Yeah, the media and elites feeding them feminism and social liberalism and changing to socially liberal laws and selling everything out to corporates for decades has had no effect on them whatsoever. 'Progressive'?....yeah just like a tumour is....the idealogy that worsens all the social metrics....pathological individualism. Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Jun 2023 12.02pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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16 Jun 23 12.00pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Is it not more that a generation growing up in a particularly socially conservative place have felt stifled by that and therefore pushed harder the other way?

The young in Ireland have seen what an overly conservative, religious society looks like and, rightly or wrongly, have voted for a more progressive path.

Yeah, the media and elites feeding them feminism and social liberalism and changing to socially liberal laws and selling everything out to corporates for decades has had no effect on them whatsoever.

'Progressive'?....yeah just like a tumour is....the idealogy that worsens all the social metrics....pathological individualism.

Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Jun 2023 12.02pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Spiderman Horsham 16 Jun 23 12.08pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle There are ways for any parent to raise concerns, either with the head, the governors, the parent/teacher association or the education board. If those fail, write to the MP or the local newspaper. Surely any "sex education" at a primary school is going to be very basic and more a recognition of the differences between people and the need to respect everybody than anything else? We now live in a different world where all kinds of things can easily be seen online. That cannot just be ignored and children need to be prepared to cope with it and know how to ask questions without shame. [Link] Bit more than “basic” Seems parents don’t have a say Edited by Spiderman (16 Jun 2023 12.09pm)
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Horsham 16 Jun 23 12.08pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

There are ways for any parent to raise concerns, either with the head, the governors, the parent/teacher association or the education board. If those fail, write to the MP or the local newspaper.

Surely any "sex education" at a primary school is going to be very basic and more a recognition of the differences between people and the need to respect everybody than anything else? We now live in a different world where all kinds of things can easily be seen online. That cannot just be ignored and children need to be prepared to cope with it and know how to ask questions without shame.

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Bit more than “basic” Seems parents don’t have a say

Edited by Spiderman (16 Jun 2023 12.09pm)

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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 16 Jun 23 12.08pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Yeah, the media and elites feeding them feminism and social liberalism and changing to socially liberal laws and selling everything out to corporates for decades has had no effect on them whatsoever. 'Progressive'?....yeah just like a tumour is....the idealogy that worsens all the social metrics....pathological individualism. Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Jun 2023 12.02pm) Not everything has to be so reductionist - of course that had an effect on them, but so does decades of religious oppression, obviously. Boring boring boring.
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SE19 16 Jun 23 12.08pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Yeah, the media and elites feeding them feminism and social liberalism and changing to socially liberal laws and selling everything out to corporates for decades has had no effect on them whatsoever.

'Progressive'?....yeah just like a tumour is....the idealogy that worsens all the social metrics....pathological individualism.

Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Jun 2023 12.02pm)

Not everything has to be so reductionist - of course that had an effect on them, but so does decades of religious oppression, obviously.

Boring boring boring.

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Stirlingsays 16 Jun 23 12.14pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow Not everything has to be so reductionist - of course that had an effect on them, but so does decades of religious oppression, obviously. Boring boring boring. Your point was far more reductionist as mine has multiple factors for its causes. 'Religious oppression'? You are aware that no one was ever mandated to follow a religion aren't you. Whereas everyone has to accept social liberalism's laws and economic realities. It has its own oppressions in free speech and economic and idealogical strait jackets. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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16 Jun 23 12.14pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Not everything has to be so reductionist - of course that had an effect on them, but so does decades of religious oppression, obviously.

Boring boring boring.

Your point was far more reductionist as mine has multiple factors for its causes.

'Religious oppression'? You are aware that no one was ever mandated to follow a religion aren't you.

Whereas everyone has to accept social liberalism's laws and economic realities. It has its own oppressions in free speech and economic and idealogical strait jackets.

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eaglesdare 16 Jun 23 12.16pm
Originally posted by Spiderman [Link] Bit more than “basic” Seems parents don’t have a say Edited by Spiderman (16 Jun 2023 12.09pm) “We continue to support the rights of parents to withdraw their children from RSE lessons when they feel the content is not age appropriate.” Very soon parents will loose these rights with the way things are going.
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eaglesdare

16 Jun 23 12.16pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

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Bit more than “basic” Seems parents don’t have a say

Edited by Spiderman (16 Jun 2023 12.09pm)

“We continue to support the rights of parents to withdraw their children from RSE lessons when they feel the content is not age appropriate.”

Very soon parents will loose these rights with the way things are going.

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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 16 Jun 23 12.28pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Your point was far more reductionist as mine has multiple factors for its causes. 'Religious oppression'? You are aware that no one was ever mandated to follow a religion aren't you. Whereas everyone has to accept social liberalism's laws and economic realities. It has its own oppressions in free speech and economic and idealogical strait jackets. Try telling kids who grew up in Ireland in the decades preceding this one that they weren't mandated to follow a religion, or that that religion wasn't hugely influential in the setting of laws that they were of course mandated to follow. Societal trends are never going to be explained purely by one thing, and it's just an obvious fact that the overbearing nature of religion in Ireland would have had an impact on its culture - there is nothing contentious in that.
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SE19 16 Jun 23 12.28pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Your point was far more reductionist as mine has multiple factors for its causes.

'Religious oppression'? You are aware that no one was ever mandated to follow a religion aren't you.

Whereas everyone has to accept social liberalism's laws and economic realities. It has its own oppressions in free speech and economic and idealogical strait jackets.

Try telling kids who grew up in Ireland in the decades preceding this one that they weren't mandated to follow a religion, or that that religion wasn't hugely influential in the setting of laws that they were of course mandated to follow.

Societal trends are never going to be explained purely by one thing, and it's just an obvious fact that the overbearing nature of religion in Ireland would have had an impact on its culture - there is nothing contentious in that.

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Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 16 Jun 23 12.31pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow Not everything has to be so reductionist - of course that had an effect on them, but so does decades of religious oppression, obviously. Boring boring boring. How can teenagers and children be affected by 'decades' of religious oppression? Also, I think that's a bit racist to describe Ireland in such a manner, within this timescale. Religious oppression was, arguably, thematic further back in time but Ireland has been moving away from that for a while now. Are we to assume the radical left wing ideology will soon be sweeping the far more religiously oppressed Middle East in forthcoming years? Were the Germans, an advanced nation at the time, allowing Nazism to run rampant more as a result of rebellion against religion than Goebbels and co.'s propaganda campaigns?` You're hanging to quite a weak argument there. I'd also argue people forever bleating on about what they subjectively identify as, to escape the failures of their actual existence, wanting to enshrine their non-scientific delusions in law, fly flags and hold parades as far more boring than anything else. It's quite ironic to counter an argument by accusing people of being 'reductionist' and weighting your position by denouncing them as 'boring'. Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!
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The Democratic Republic of Kent 16 Jun 23 12.31pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Not everything has to be so reductionist - of course that had an effect on them, but so does decades of religious oppression, obviously.

Boring boring boring.

How can teenagers and children be affected by 'decades' of religious oppression? Also, I think that's a bit racist to describe Ireland in such a manner, within this timescale. Religious oppression was, arguably, thematic further back in time but Ireland has been moving away from that for a while now. Are we to assume the radical left wing ideology will soon be sweeping the far more religiously oppressed Middle East in forthcoming years? Were the Germans, an advanced nation at the time, allowing Nazism to run rampant more as a result of rebellion against religion than Goebbels and co.'s propaganda campaigns?` You're hanging to quite a weak argument there.

I'd also argue people forever bleating on about what they subjectively identify as, to escape the failures of their actual existence, wanting to enshrine their non-scientific delusions in law, fly flags and hold parades as far more boring than anything else. It's quite ironic to counter an argument by accusing people of being 'reductionist' and weighting your position by denouncing them as 'boring'.

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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