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View Hansy's Profile Hansy Flag 25 May 17 10.33am Send a Private Message to Hansy Add Hansy as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

At least if labour get in there will be a decent minimum wage and a lot less zero hours contracts.

Then what happens to those that want zero hour contracts? I agree vast majority don't, but there is still a minority that like the zero-hour contracts.

I employ a zero-hour contractor, but that is because he wants that.

Edited by Hansy (25 May 2017 10.34am)

 

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View Kermit8's Profile Kermit8 Flag Hevon 25 May 17 10.34am Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

Originally posted by hedgehog50

No he is not. He is very much new left. Old Labour, going back to the likes of Attlee and Bevin, then on to a few of their heirs, basically wanted to better the lives and opportunities of ordinary British (Attlee was a great patriot) people. The new left wants to pander to various racial and social minorities and pursue dogmatic economic ideas that have been shown repeatedly to fail.


Edited by hedgehog50 (25 May 2017 10.25am)

I meant pre-Blair old labour. Not old, old Labour. '97 was when the party started to become unrecognisable and it worked. Three elections wins on the trot. Then the plot was well and truly lost.

 


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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 25 May 17 10.36am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

At least if labour get in there will be a decent minimum wage and a lot less zero hours contracts.

And yet the minimum wage has seen a big rise under this government.
I suppose you would prefer people to be claiming benefit rather than working.

 

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View DanH's Profile DanH Flag SW2 25 May 17 10.44am Send a Private Message to DanH Add DanH as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I'm not that fond of May.....But she's a million miles better than Cameron. The blue rinse voted 'pretty boy' in not me.

I was a Davis supporter.....that's someone with talent who finally has a position befitting his talent. He will get the best deal possible for this country. The 'supplicant' positions pushed by the left in regards to the EU in this country are nothing short of a joke. They are all codeword positions for rejecting the result and looking to stay in by a sort of admitted defeat....weak as feck and negotiators would make mince meat of them.

Keir Starmer would be the Labour equivalent of Davis. A qualified QC versus a bumbling oaf. Tough one.

 

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View matt_himself's Profile matt_himself Flag Matataland 25 May 17 10.48am Send a Private Message to matt_himself Add matt_himself as a friend

Originally posted by DanH

Keir Starmer would be the Labour equivalent of Davis. A qualified QC versus a bumbling oaf. Tough one.

Kier Starmer is a very good barrister and the Brexit talks are not about legal matters, they are about politics, which is in the tradition of he EU. Hence they have been pulling figures out of their arse on the divorce bill.

A barrister is not what is needed. A politician is. I am not sure about Davis but he is a better choice than Starmer.

 


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View CambridgeEagle's Profile CambridgeEagle Flag Sydenham 25 May 17 10.55am Send a Private Message to CambridgeEagle Add CambridgeEagle as a friend

Originally posted by Hansy

That could mean they are better off now, but not in 4-8 years time. Labour have targeted the Young and non-voters as they do every year. This year is different I feel, as the manifesto is targeting specific age groups.

Free tuition now, but when you do find work your tax rate could increase.

Taxes only going to increase on top 5% of earners not new entrants into the labour market.

Tried and tested economics suggests their policies will provide a stronger and more stable economy so in 4-8 many (not the few) will be better off. Cuts isn't what we need.

 

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View CambridgeEagle's Profile CambridgeEagle Flag Sydenham 25 May 17 11.00am Send a Private Message to CambridgeEagle Add CambridgeEagle as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

BS BS.

FYI the data I provided on growth rates were from the OECD so I suggest you take up any data you deem to be BS with their data team.

 

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View Hansy's Profile Hansy Flag 25 May 17 11.00am Send a Private Message to Hansy Add Hansy as a friend

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

Taxes only going to increase on top 5% of earners not new entrants into the labour market.

Tried and tested economics suggests their policies will provide a stronger and more stable economy so in 4-8 many (not the few) will be better off. Cuts isn't what we need.

Initially yes. But what then happens when they start operating at a larger deficit?

If we increase the taxes of the top 5% too much, they will just move elsewhere for cheaper taxes. Especially with Brexit looming and the EU countries wanting to take business and wealth from London and the UK. That is a dangerous game.

Edited by Hansy (25 May 2017 11.03am)

 

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View CambridgeEagle's Profile CambridgeEagle Flag Sydenham 25 May 17 11.01am Send a Private Message to CambridgeEagle Add CambridgeEagle as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

And yet the minimum wage has seen a big rise under this government.
I suppose you would prefer people to be claiming benefit rather than working.

And yet real wages have fallen...

More facetious claptrap. I'd rather we used the labour resources available, increased productivity and provided safe and meaningful, well paid work.

 

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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 25 May 17 11.07am

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

And yet real wages have fallen...

More facetious claptrap. I'd rather we used the labour resources available, increased productivity and provided safe and meaningful, well paid work.

I wonder if it's too late to nominate you for the 'Most unintentionally funny Poster' HOL award?

 


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View Hansy's Profile Hansy Flag 25 May 17 11.07am Send a Private Message to Hansy Add Hansy as a friend

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

And yet real wages have fallen...

More facetious claptrap. I'd rather we used the labour resources available, increased productivity and provided safe and meaningful, well paid work.

Can you define real wages?

Since the Tories have been in power the average earnings has only dropped once.

 

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View CambridgeEagle's Profile CambridgeEagle Flag Sydenham 25 May 17 11.25am Send a Private Message to CambridgeEagle Add CambridgeEagle as a friend

Originally posted by Hansy

Can you define real wages?

Since the Tories have been in power the average earnings has only dropped once.

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See figure 1. Real wages lower now than when Tories came to power.

 

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