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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 09 May 18 10.40am Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I'll go with personal experience over 'studies'. I don't trust them.

Fair enough - I guess you must have a large sample of young people's savings accounts that you have access to in order to draw such a conclusion.

 

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View DanH's Profile DanH Flag SW2 09 May 18 10.44am Send a Private Message to DanH Add DanH as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I'll go with personal experience over 'studies'. I don't trust them.

This is a classic. Even by your standards.

 

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jeeagles Flag 09 May 18 10.58am

Given the unionist policies of the 70's where people where public sector workers were given massive state pensions based on the idea that the next generation was going to earn more than there parents, it's only fair pensioners pay more.

Having said that, I don't think young people are as badly off its made out. Loads of my friends have spent fortunes travelling and on pointless trinkets. Some of their parents seemed to have bought new cars every year and funded ultra expensive holiday to Disneyland and now don't have a nest egg set aside for their kids.

I wouldn't give them £10k. They'd just squander it.

But the whole thing is a guaranteed vote loser. The tories tried it with care in the last election when they thought nothing could touch them. Look how that turned out.

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 09 May 18 11.03am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by DanH

This is a classic. Even by your standards.

When you get older you will learn not to take everything at face value. I have learned to trust what I have seen with my own eyes.

You believe what you like.

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 09 May 18 11.05am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Fair enough - I guess you must have a large sample of young people's savings accounts that you have access to in order to draw such a conclusion.

I doubt the study had. They probably had to take the word of the saver I expect. A bit like those surveys of how big your dick is.

 

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View Direwolf's Profile Direwolf Flag Lincoln 09 May 18 11.16am Send a Private Message to Direwolf Add Direwolf as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Fair enough - I guess you must have a large sample of young people's savings accounts that you have access to in order to draw such a conclusion.

It’s a relevant point but of course neither would the studies have had such access. They are reliant on what they are told by who they ask and on the nature of the sample and the questions actually asked.

 

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View Lyons550's Profile Lyons550 Flag Shirley 09 May 18 11.19am Send a Private Message to Lyons550 Add Lyons550 as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Is it not a bit of a contradiction to argue that people should be more willing to move out of London, but also should be more responsible for their parents care?

Both my parents live in London - if I was to move from the city, this obviously affects my ability to provide care as they get older.

I get your point on family values etc, and I agree, but it just seems a bit of a contradiction given you were advocating relocating earlier in the thread.


It's a fair point and it is if we were talking about everyone...but the property issue is largely aimed at the first time buyer...who a large swath do not yet have a family of their own and as such if they really wanted to fly the next and set up home and a family could quite easily do so by moving out of London....setting up their own family in their own house; not their grandparents.

Clearly for those not willing to move and therefore remaining in the family home then they would be around to assist and help out.

It's all about choices; but we can't have a cake and eat it....which is what people seemingly expect as a 'right' nowadays.

There's clearly no silver bullet to the situation and as others comments have suggested there are numerous influencing factors that if addressed would drastically reduce the reliance on the state....and ultimately our pockets...making us all richer in so many ways.

 


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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 09 May 18 11.39am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by jeeagles

Given the unionist policies of the 70's where people where public sector workers were given massive state pensions based on the idea that the next generation was going to earn more than there parents, it's only fair pensioners pay more.

I don't remember that. It's my recollection that public sector workers had good pension rights to compensate for earning less than their private sector equivalents

Originally posted by jeeagles

Having said that, I don't think young people are as badly off its made out. Loads of my friends have spent fortunes travelling and on pointless trinkets. Some of their parents seemed to have bought new cars every year and funded ultra expensive holiday to Disneyland and now don't have a nest egg set aside for their kids.

My next door neighbours have their 29 year old son living with them as he claims that he cannot afford to move out yet he seems to be able to afford a brand new Jaguar XE.

 

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View OneMax's Profile OneMax Flag Maidstone 09 May 18 12.19pm Send a Private Message to OneMax Add OneMax as a friend

I retired early and was surprised to find how little tax I paid. While working I paid 20% income tax plus 12% National Insurance so 30% in total. Plus I paid an additional 7.5% into my pension scheme.

Once I retired no more National Insurance as there is no NI on pensions and stopped contributing to a pension.

As I had a company car and BUPA when working I also now have the full personal allowance.

National Insurance is a tax on work, Pensioners, Private Landlords, those living off trust funds or investments don,t pay NI.
It is wrong only those who work who sweat and earn between *£7,500 and £45,000 pay NI.
*Figs are approx but not far out.

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 09 May 18 12.43pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by OneMax

I retired early and was surprised to find how little tax I paid. While working I paid 20% income tax plus 12% National Insurance so 30% in total. Plus I paid an additional 7.5% into my pension scheme.

Once I retired no more National Insurance as there is no NI on pensions and stopped contributing to a pension.

As I had a company car and BUPA when working I also now have the full personal allowance.

National Insurance is a tax on work, Pensioners, Private Landlords, those living off trust funds or investments don,t pay NI.
It is wrong only those who work who sweat and earn between *£7,500 and £45,000 pay NI.
*Figs are approx but not far out.

Do what? I assure you that people earning over 45k pay NI.

 

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 09 May 18 1.46pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

The average Millennial complains about house prices... When I ask them how much property deposit have they built up so far, they answer "zero"! (They also insist on living in zones 1-2). Baby boomers and Generation X actually saved money, didn't go away on fancy holidays and didn't eat at expensive restaurants which they post on Instagram. It's easy to blame the market and the government, but what are YOU doing about your financial future? I'm planning for retirement now. The elderly have by and large been responsible with their finances and should not be punished. The government STEAL enough money as it is...

Edited by Penge Eagle (08 May 2018 11.02pm)

Rental prices in particular the SE are ridiculous. Kids going to University have no chance of saving (see my previous post), please don't blame them for not having any savings.

 

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View Cucking Funt's Profile Cucking Funt Flag Clapham on the Back 09 May 18 2.12pm Send a Private Message to Cucking Funt Add Cucking Funt as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

My next door neighbours have their 29 year old son living with them as he claims that he cannot afford to move out yet he seems to be able to afford a brand new Jaguar XE.

Perhaps he's still getting "bitty" from his Mum

 


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