you seem to be nit-picking to avoid the truth.

ok, religionism would have to be the correct terminology for you

‘Football isn’t instant coffee. You have to work at it. You must grow the bean, grind it.’ Ian Holloway

England is only England if the majority of people in it subscribe to an English identity. This is pure common sense. It doesn't have to be everybody or anything to do with someone's skin colour or indeed their religion.

I'm a critic of those who lie about 'hate' or other labels. Some of those critics, but not all, do this for the specific purpose of restricting speech. They wish to censor, and in some cases punish, those who disagree.

However, it's highly important that as an secularist I'm highly opposed to any religion that interferes with the freedom of the individual.

If you aren't trying to restrict me or others, fine, believe what you want. I might criticise the logic of what you believe. I might criticise its impact on children. However, I won't support impeding on you.

Unlike Robinson I believe that Islam, like any other religion can have a future here. I support Islamic reformers, who are prominent.

For example:

Imam Tawhidi
Miijad Nawez
Mufassil Islam (though he is an ex Muslim he was a prominent Muslim for many years)

Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Jun 2018 10.25am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Here is a fascinating discussion between Imam Tawhidi and Mufassil Islam on the nature of Islam.

It's not an aggressive discussion it's from the perspective of a believer v agnostic debate.

These are two fine upstanding individuals from this community.

[Link]

I can recommend it....and again, this isn't pushing any narrative it's just educational to hear these two talk about how they see the religion.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

And that is fascinating.

Now I am not convinced about TR for a whole host of reasons but something is going on in our wider society that is that odd mix of both troubling yet fascinating. Here we have a white, working class man, with a dubious past, no formal education, lacking a formal political structure around him and yet he can get thousands to go out on the streets and demand his release, despite the awkward fact that he pleaded guilty. And even more odd, is the fact that there have been other protests in cities around the world.

He represents something. A warning light. An energy.

Now again I go back to my first point. My own political antenna is twitching away when ever I see TR on the box. Could be my paranoia, could be a whole host of other negative parts to my psyche, but the reality is that TR represents something for an increasing amount of people out there.

And people willing to put it on the line.

Now those people who attacked the police, did nobody any favours but to see the Police backing off, and I am sure they had their tactical reasons for doing so, is a line being crossed. A direct, and very visible, challenge to the authority of the Government.

The actual, and seemingly widening fault line in our society.

And it even has, in these Brexit days, an increasingly Pan-European nature to it.

Which for those on the left who seek to slag off TR and his supporters, is perhaps the biggest irony of it.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Good post! It's refreshing to hear someone who I think I'm right in saying, isn't convinced either way about TR, but doesn't resort to the usual name calling, and stating imaginary facts about him, without actually looking at anything he's done.
There were protests indeed around the word and UK. Amazing how this once "hooligan" (nobody has a perfect past) can generate such a massive response from all races, creeds, and political persuasion.
However, the big picture here is Freedom of speech, which is much bigger than anyone person

Edited by Park Road (10 Jun 2018 12.17pm)

Interesting, only working class are swayed by it, Douglas Murray well known chav.

Again an attack on a group of people by someone who frequently uses the label racist, to shut down any reasonable form of debate.

I think its been mentioned upteen times that you can't be racist against a religion.

What's the terminology for someone who only thinks the working class are stupid?
Believe me, my patience far surpasses yours when it comes to explaining common sense

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Edited by Park Road (10 Jun 2018 12.50pm)