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Pussay Patrol Flag 26 Jan 19 11.00pm

Originally posted by pefwin

Correct. but it was the mindless right that got us here. exiting the EU should have always been a 2 stage process.

1 to investigate what we could get.
2 see if the country found it acceptable.


However it would seem that many voted solely on racial grounds, many not understanding that it would increase immigration from the commonwealth.

Precisely and totally logical.

This bloody minded attitude by Brexiters that we should leave whatever the cost in the face of obvious and certain harm it would cause purely to abide by the vote just shows complete lack of intelligence

 


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ChrisGC Flag Wantage 26 Jan 19 11.28pm

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

Precisely and totally logical.

This bloody minded attitude by Brexiters that we should leave whatever the cost in the face of obvious and certain harm it would cause purely to abide by the vote just shows complete lack of intelligence

Please try to be better than to say leave voters lack intelligence: nobody was ever persuaded to come around to your point of view by being insulted.

As for in bold, to what to you refer?

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 27 Jan 19 12.17am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by ChrisGC

A deal or no deal position is a construct of remain: there is no obligation to entertain any negotiation.

And anyway: I thought it was universally accepted that anyone could do better than the hash May is making of things.

She's so bad at negotiating that she could go into DFS and come out with a full price sofa!

No, it's not universally accepted at all. Trying to reach an agreement with the EU that will also be accepted by Parliament, whilst avoiding a no deal outcome which I am quite sure she knows would be a disaster is no easy task.

Keyboard warriors who think they know how to do everything better than those whose job it is are two a penny.

I trust experts to do things I have no skill in.

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 27 Jan 19 12.26am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by ChrisGC

I understand democracy fine: deflection and condescension? The last refuge of the beaten.

Take my advice: Consult your GP. You need some ointment for that burrrrrrrn.

Peace out x

There is not the slightest amount of deflection in what I have said to you. Avoiding condescension is challenging when faced with a repeated denial of facts.

Your attitude reminds me of Trump. When faced with facts you don't like, attack, insult and then claim victory. That some think this is clever doesn't mean it is.

Take a deep breath, then really study the facts rather than rely on your preconceptions. You really do not understand how our democracy works. You just think you do.

 


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steve1984 27 Jan 19 12.30am

Originally posted by ChrisGC

It would be for anyone competent or half willing.

40 billion spend (not gift) in exchange for no tariffs.

If rejected, no spend and reciprocal tariffs.

Just because May has made an arse of it, it doesn't mean that the first instance was a lie.

Which helps explain why you're not in the trade negotiation business but not much else.

 

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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 27 Jan 19 1.37am Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

Precisely and totally logical.

This bloody minded attitude by Brexiters that we should leave whatever the cost in the face of obvious and certain harm it would cause purely to abide by the vote just shows complete lack of intelligence

But that is the crux of democracy. We had a vote. A decision was made. A promise had been given. How on earth have we got a position where it is 'bloody minded' to expect a democratic decision to be acted upon?

This is where I struggle with so many on the 'Remain' side. It is as though democratic princples never meant anything to them.

The result on June 23rd has to be honoured. And with no dely. Failure to do so holds the potential to see this country descend into a civil conflict that will result in the loss of life. This is how serious this is now. There will be no shrugging of shoulders if the 52% are betrayed. We have gone past that. All that happens is the divide gets worse and worse.

When we leave the EU then feel free to campaign for us to rejoin. That is a perfectly valid position to hold. Best of British.

But seriously. 'Bloody minded' because when I voted on June 23rd I did so in utter good faith that the decision would be acted upon? And that I am cross because people want to see my vote effectively tossed aside as worthless?

 


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ChrisGC Flag Wantage 27 Jan 19 8.09am

Originally posted by steve1984

Which helps explain why you're not in the trade negotiation business but not much else.

Ha ha, that is a big part of my business.

 

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ChrisGC Flag Wantage 27 Jan 19 8.15am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

There is not the slightest amount of deflection in what I have said to you. Avoiding condescension is challenging when faced with a repeated denial of facts.

Your attitude reminds me of Trump. When faced with facts you don't like, attack, insult and then claim victory. That some think this is clever doesn't mean it is.

Take a deep breath, then really study the facts rather than rely on your preconceptions. You really do not understand how our democracy works. You just think you do.

Are you writing your thoughts whilst looking in a mirror?

I've not insulted you. I am right and you are wrong, this has been proven. You are deflecting: take the links: mine was titled "what an MP does" from the UK parliament website and detailed my position word for word: inarguable!

Yours was a link to a debate on the same website which, after listing a quotation, concluded my position!

Since then you've been condescending and insulting: this Trump accusation a prime example.

The trump comparison would be unfair in your case as he, at least, has conviction. You're the equivalent of shouting an opinion, sticking your fingers in your ears and singing "I'm right, you're wrong" over and over.

Let's go back to the links. Explain where you get your nonsense about its the MP's job to act as a dictator from "the MP is a representative of his constituents"?

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 27 Jan 19 8.37am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

The government is making plans to impose martial law in the event of a no deal Brexit. Or do they mean impose martial law if we don't get Brexit to stop us Holers? Just kidding.

When I was in charge of Business Contingency for my department I had to make plans for all sorts of eventualities most of which would never happen. So I don't read anything into this its just planning.

If we do have a no deal Brexit I expect we will handle it in a very British way I am not expecting violence on the scale of France week after week. I expect people will march and complain to their MP that's what we do in this country.

 


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View dannyboy1978's Profile dannyboy1978 Flag 27 Jan 19 8.42am Send a Private Message to dannyboy1978 Add dannyboy1978 as a friend

I wonder what better position we would be in if all the remainers had accepted the vote and all our politicians worked in unity.

I think we will leave the EU and we will be ok and remaining politicians will have to live with their views for ever recorded and replayed as traitors of the state. Every one should be named and shamed and go down in history next to guy fawks.

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 27 Jan 19 9.07am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

The government is making plans to impose martial law in the event of a no deal Brexit. Or do they mean impose martial law if we don't get Brexit to stop us Holers? Just kidding.

When I was in charge of Business Contingency for my department I had to make plans for all sorts of eventualities most of which would never happen. So I don't read anything into this its just planning.

If we do have a no deal Brexit I expect we will handle it in a very British way I am not expecting violence on the scale of France week after week. I expect people will march and complain to their MP that's what we do in this country.

Some of that but more photos of kids with ‘my life is ruined, placards and hashtags and woos on channel 4’s The Last Leg whenever the Australian presenter whinges about Brexit. The 2 on the sofa are funny about everyone, including leave politicians.

 


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View becky's Profile becky Flag over the moon 27 Jan 19 9.09am Send a Private Message to becky Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add becky as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Some of that but more photos of kids with ‘my life is ruined, placards and hashtags and woos on channel 4’s The Last Leg whenever the Australian presenter whinges about Brexit. The 2 on the sofa are funny about everyone, including leave politicians.

Quite right too - how many are now going to have to pay for a visa to go to those drunken orgiastic Ibiza weekends?

 


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