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 Hrolf The Ganger  19 Jun 23 10.33am |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
'The time has come for the British people to be told the truth. The leaders of our political parties cannot go on hiding from the damage to our economy, our reputation in the world and the frustration of our younger generation. The time to recreate our position at the centre of Europe has arrived'. Heseltine today.
We have never been at the centre of Europe, politically, economically or geographically.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 19 Jun 23 11.06am |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
We have never been at the centre of Europe, politically, economically or geographically. He is very far from stupid. He might now be regarded as old, but so far as I am aware, retains his faculties. I once had the pleasure of a few minutes conversation with him and he was one of the most impressive people I have ever met. Definitely, the best PM we never had. I often wonder if we would be in the mess we are today if history had seen him occupy No 10 rather than Thatcher.
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 HKOwen Online  Hong Kong 19 Jun 23 11.13am |
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If he impressed you so much you need to get out more, and yes, I have met him also. Edited by HKOwen (19 Jun 2023 11.13am)
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| HKOwen Online Hong Kong 19 Jun 23 11.16am |
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Originally posted by silvertop
Do you mean the IHRA definition? That has been adopted in this country but note the important caveat correctly inserted by our government. ...It is not antisemitic to criticise the Government of Israel, without additional evidence to suggest antisemitic intent. It is not antisemitic to hold the Israeli Government to the same standards as other liberal democracies, or to take a particular interest in the Israeli Government's policies or actions, without additional evidence to suggest antisemitic intent... Anyway, I thought we were talking about Corbyn. What evidence do you have that he personally hates Jews? When he was in local power, the evidence all pointed the other way. The anti semitism he allowed to flourish in the Labour party is enough for me. Anti semitism means prejudice or hostility not hatred FYI Edited by HKOwen (19 Jun 2023 11.17am)
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| Hrolf The Ganger 19 Jun 23 1.31pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
He is very far from stupid. He might now be regarded as old, but so far as I am aware, retains his faculties. I once had the pleasure of a few minutes conversation with him and he was one of the most impressive people I have ever met. Definitely, the best PM we never had. I often wonder if we would be in the mess we are today if history had seen him occupy No 10 rather than Thatcher. He is a globalist, like you. He stabbed thatcher in the back and has caused been a big part of the infighting within the Tory Party. The sooner he out of the picture, the better.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 19 Jun 23 1.37pm |
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Originally posted by HKOwen
If he impressed you so much you need to get out more, and yes, I have met him also. Edited by HKOwen (19 Jun 2023 11.13am) I get out enough, don't you worry. If he didn't impress you then you must have an odd appreciation of people. Whether you like his politics or not he is a man who makes an impression.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 19 Jun 23 1.40pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
He is a globalist, like you. He stabbed thatcher in the back and has caused been a big part of the infighting within the Tory Party. The sooner he out of the picture, the better. He is a realist like me. He supported Thatcher whilst she was effective but not when she was losing her grip. He is largely out of the picture and there is no one approaching his stature in parliament these days.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 19 Jun 23 1.55pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
He is a realist like me. He supported Thatcher whilst she was effective but not when she was losing her grip. He is largely out of the picture and there is no one approaching his stature in parliament these days. Not far enough. Yes, your 'realism' is a regular feature on these boards. It is a reality that ignores pandemics, wars, profiteering, supply issues, global economic instability, unsustainable mass migration, the distortion of egalitarianism and deliberate and constant attempts by globalists to wreck our future.
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| HKOwen Online Hong Kong 19 Jun 23 2.20pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I get out enough, don't you worry. If he didn't impress you then you must have an odd appreciation of people. Whether you like his politics or not he is a man who makes an impression. Subjective to how easily impressed you are as I said. It's well known the weak minded are easily star stuck when they meet someone who is relatively well known.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 19 Jun 23 2.24pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
He is a realist like me. He supported Thatcher whilst she was effective but not when she was losing her grip. He is largely out of the picture and there is no one approaching his stature in parliament these days. I never understood how Heseltine defeated Mrs.Thatcher but in doing so could not succeed her. He is saying the UK economy cannot be successful outside of the single market and the customs union, the EU itself. What factors, what financial levers, could be employed to restore the economy to when we left the EU? You don't have to be an economist to see that we are in a jam and there is no way out.
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| silvertop Portishead 19 Jun 23 2.32pm |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
Where is Mark Carney now - he was remunerated with £879,000 in 2018 for being a useless, incompetent, politically biased waste of money. Other than the wildness of the allegations you make, how does this serve as a reply? PS I saw no evidence of right wing bias in Carney while in office.
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| silvertop Portishead 19 Jun 23 2.41pm |
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Originally posted by HKOwen
The anti semitism he allowed to flourish in the Labour party is enough for me. Anti semitism means prejudice or hostility not hatred FYI Edited by HKOwen (19 Jun 2023 11.17am) You're correct, I used "hatred" as shorthand. However, there appears tacit acceptance that he is not an anti semite. Perhaps an unintentional anti semite facilitator!? This type of prejudice is rife at both ends of the political spectrum and always has been. Targeting Corbyn as representative of the hard left has a glass houses feel when spoken by posters from the hard right.
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